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re: Was the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki necessary?
Posted on 4/18/18 at 12:19 pm to Keltic Tiger
Posted on 4/18/18 at 12:19 pm to Keltic Tiger
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Sitting in judgment 73+ yrs later
Asking a question is now sitting in judgment? We can’t even have the conversation? I’ve said on here like 6 times I probably would have made the same decision.
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Posted on 4/18/18 at 12:19 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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the only response y'all have are your upvotes and downvotes. Sad.
I read the entire thread, and you didn't respond to many posts that brought up great points where it is pretty obvious that you don't have an answer or counterpoint for
Posted on 4/18/18 at 12:31 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Germany declared war on us after our Declaration of war against Japan following Pearl Harbor. Why don't you brush up on your history because you're making yourself look pretty stupid here.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 12:32 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Yes.
Next question.
Next question.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 12:46 pm to jchamil
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you didn't respond to many posts that brought up great points where it is pretty obvious that you don't have an answer or counterpoint for
wrong
you not liking the counterpoint is not the same thing as me not having one.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 12:48 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Yes, plain and simple they were one of four countries to ever come close to what you would call an invasion. The british in the war of 1812, the Mexicans in the border war, the Japanese at pearl harbor, and then the failed Russian nuclear attack on a us warship. The Japanese felt belittled by everyone because they were only supplemental to Germany in the war and were never considered a true "World Power" so they grew some balls and did some dumb shite that even hitler wouldn't do, they bombed the US. So our government had to respond with overwhelming force or else we would have the set a precedent for other countries to invade
Posted on 4/18/18 at 12:59 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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you not liking the counterpoint is not the same thing as me not having one.
How would I know whether I liked your counterpoint when you ignored the posts I am speaking of?
Posted on 4/18/18 at 1:01 pm to jchamil
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when you ignored the posts I am speaking of?
what posts did i not respond to? I have ignored nothing but maybe i missed a few.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 1:41 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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what posts did i not respond to? I have ignored nothing but maybe i missed a few.
You missed this one, from me on page 24.
One of your own links refutes this talking point of yours. It says that the Japanese not only wanted to preserve the Emperor but also wanted to avoid war trials and hold on to territory.
We said no they had to unconditionally surrender. They said no. We bombed them. They said no. We bombed them again and they finally said yes. Then, after they finally unconditionally surrendered, we allowed them to keep the emperor as a figurehead.
Keeping territory and avoiding war crime trials is not "essentially" or "for all intents and purposes" the exact same surrender that we finally agreed to.
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But Hasegawa and other historians have shown that Japan’s leaders were in fact quite savvy, well aware of their difficult position, and holding out for strategic reasons. Their concern was not so much whether to end the conflict, but how to end it while holding onto territory, avoiding war crimes trials, and preserving the imperial system. The Japanese could still inflict heavy casualties on any invader, and they hoped to convince the Soviet Union, still neutral in the Asian theater, to mediate a settlement with the Americans. Stalin, they calculated, might negotiate more favorable terms in exchange for territory in Asia. It was a long shot, but it made strategic sense.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 1:59 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Do you think we should give them the apology they've been demanding for dropping the bombs.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:00 pm to upgrayedd
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Do you think we should give them the apology they've been demanding for dropping the bombs.
noPosted on 4/18/18 at 2:02 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Relax. I'm just asking a question.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:03 pm to MFn GIMP
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But Hasegawa and other historians have shown that Japan’s leaders were in fact quite savvy, well aware of their difficult position, and holding out for strategic reasons. Their concern was not so much whether to end the conflict, but how to end it while holding onto territory, avoiding war crimes trials, and preserving the imperial system. The Japanese could still inflict heavy casualties on any invader, and they hoped to convince the Soviet Union, still neutral in the Asian theater, to mediate a settlement with the Americans. Stalin, they calculated, might negotiate more favorable terms in exchange for territory in Asia. It was a long shot, but it made strategic sense.
Well if it's true that their demands included retaining the imperial system as it had been as well as holding on to some of the territory that had been taken, then I can see why we refused that.
Even so, getting the Russians to declare war on them before dropping the bombs may have moved them to where we ended up?
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:04 pm to OWLFAN86
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What about the theory that FDR was trying to gain public opinion to enter the way, so he cut off the oil supply
this is ONE of the reason we should ban cripples for running for office
cause thy cant run
Do you ever add anything constructive to a conversation?
Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:09 pm to DestrehanTiger
Why would we have gone to war with Russia?
(I’m not saying you’re wrong. I just am uncertain about U.S. relations with Russia during those days. I know they were against Germany in WWII. I’m just curious what our beef with Russia was about.)
(I’m not saying you’re wrong. I just am uncertain about U.S. relations with Russia during those days. I know they were against Germany in WWII. I’m just curious what our beef with Russia was about.)
Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:09 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I'm going to assume this has been mentioned somewhere in this thread, but if not, the fact that we're still using Purple Hearts that were manufactured for the preparation of a land invasion is more than enough justification to drop the bombs.
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Nearly 500,000 Purple Heart medals (awarded for combat casualties) were manufactured in anticipation of the casualties resulting from the invasion of Japan; the number exceeded that of all American military casualties of the 65 years following the end of World War II, including the Korean and Vietnam Wars.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:15 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Yes.
Next question.
Was that Tom Hanks I saw Monday night during a scene for Greyhound. Was too far to tell. They kept shooting a scene where a guy in a hat(everyone else in helmets) was frantically looking through binoculars as the crew cast reflection of flames on them and shot water on the boat. Was totes cool and irrelevant here but it's a WW2 movie so...
This post was edited on 4/18/18 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:16 pm to StealthCalais11
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the fact that we're still using Purple Hearts that were manufactured for the preparation of a land invasion is more than enough justification to drop the bombs.
i'm operating under the assumption that a peace very close to what we ended up agreeing to was possible without either invasion or using the bomb.
if it's true that invasion was the only alternative then i agree there's not much of a debate.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:21 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Was Pearl harbor needed?
Posted on 4/18/18 at 2:22 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Didn't you start a thread on this like 6 months back?
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