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Was Hannibal Barca a good guy or bad guy?
Posted on 6/30/16 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 6/30/16 at 8:59 pm
People seem pretty split on this.
You either think Hannibal was a loyal son and Carthaginian avenging his father and his home country, or he was a rogue general hell bent on causing destruction to Rome and seeking glory.
What side of the fence are you on?
You either think Hannibal was a loyal son and Carthaginian avenging his father and his home country, or he was a rogue general hell bent on causing destruction to Rome and seeking glory.
What side of the fence are you on?
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Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:02 pm to Tiger1242
He would have been a better guy had he not waffled around Southern Italy after Cannae, and instead pushed his advantage on Rome.
In short, awesome battlefield general with terrible long term vision.
In short, awesome battlefield general with terrible long term vision.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:04 pm to Tiger1242
I thought it was 'Lechter?'
Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:05 pm to NYNolaguy1
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In short, awesome battlefield general with terrible long term vision.
Yea I don't know if he ever had a plan for his end game. This was Hannibal's plan
1. Invade Rome
2. ???
3. Profit
Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:12 pm to Tiger1242
Aggghhhhhh
Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:14 pm to Halftrack
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I thought it was 'Lechter?'
And I thought Barca was the Beast of Carthage?
Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:15 pm to Tiger1242
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Yea I don't know if he ever had a plan for his end game. This was Hannibal's plan
Just finished reading a book about Cannae and Hannibal... Hannibal was outnumbered 2:1 and still won, with the Romans dead equaling upwards of 75k legionnaires in a single day out of an 80k man army. Supposedly men were committing suicide by digging holes in the ground and burying their heads in it to hide themselves from the battlefield horror. 75000 dead without guns or explosives... I can't imagine what that scene looked like.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:19 pm to NYNolaguy1
Yea he was a beast when it came to battlefield tactics, he was always winning battles out numbers 2 or 3 to 1.
I mean obviously he's going to be out numbered when he drags his army through the Alps and loses 30,000 men
I mean obviously he's going to be out numbered when he drags his army through the Alps and loses 30,000 men
Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:21 pm to Tiger1242
I've been working my way through the History of Rome podcast... the episodes on him were really fascinating. Dude was a genius on the battlefield. Don't know why he didn't head straight for Rome.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:22 pm to Tiger1242
Too many different types of people rose against Rome. There was a reason for that.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:23 pm to Tiger1242
He was great on the battlefield, but the man couldn't mount a siege to save his life.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:27 pm to WavinWilly
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working my way through the History of Rome podcast... the episodes on him were really fascinating. Dude was a genius on the battlefield. Don't know why he didn't head straight for Rome.
The history of Rome podcasts amazing, I've listened to every episode.
Also I think your question was answered by another poster. Hannibal was shite at sieges and didn't have siege weapons really, he wanted to beat Roman armies in the field until they conceded. I think he knew he wouldn't be able to take Rome via siege
Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:34 pm to Tiger1242
Carthago delenda est.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:46 pm to Tiger1242
Yep. He lacked the supply lines to last out a well-supplied Roman City. He didn't have the Naval Support for a blockade. He didn't have the technology to build large catapults, onagers, trebuchets, siege towers, or rams to successfully storm the highly fortified Roman walls. He could only sustain his army by raiding. His only hope was to defeat Rome's armies in the field and force the Senate to offer peace terms. Scipio simply stopped engaging with him. He stayed inside the walls and let Hannibal waste his time in the country side. He used the Roman navy to keep any city Hannibal dared to besiege supplied, and then he pulled an end-around and sent his armies to Carthage, forcing Hannibal to run and defend home where he was defeated.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:47 pm to Tiger1242
Who?
Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:48 pm to kingbob
Fabian
Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:49 pm to Tiger1242
He was just THE GUY
Posted on 6/30/16 at 9:54 pm to kingbob
The Metarus was the key battle.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 10:02 pm to NYNolaguy1
quote:He didn't really have a choice after he invaded. Like others, I think he didn't have a real end game, or underestimated the Roman defense. He did try to "push his advantage," but Rome would have represented a very long siege, and he was being attacked piecemeal style by small forces for years. While this was going on, and after a long time, his strongest ally, Philip of Macedonia, decided to go back home.
He would have been a better guy had he not waffled around Southern Italy after Cannae, and instead pushed his advantage on Rome.
At that point, he was stuck. His actions were never approved of by the whole of Carthage, and Scipio's surprise attack on what would have been Hannibal's supplementary forces pretty much ensured a defeat when he returned home.
Still, even after his defeats, he could have lived out his life in peace, but he chose to ally himself with people who were fighting what I'm sure he considered to be proxy wars against Roman satellite states. In other words, he insisted on continually pecking at the Romans in any way he could, so they finally made his demise a priority. In the end, he killed himself rather than be captured.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 10:11 pm to kingbob
quote:Scipio never engaged him until North Africa. He fought Hannibal's brother and defeated him, but he spent most of his time in Iberia until he was sent to Sicily, which was thought by many to be the Romans putting him out to pasture.
Scipio simply stopped engaging with him. He stayed inside the walls and let Hannibal waste his time in the country side. He used the Roman navy to keep any city Hannibal dared to besiege supplied, and then he pulled an end-around and sent his armies to Carthage
Instead, he bred horses and organized cavalry troops, which were the eventual undoing of Hannibal.
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