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re: Was Hannibal Barca a good guy or bad guy?
Posted on 6/30/16 at 10:17 pm to Byron Bojangles III
Posted on 6/30/16 at 10:17 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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Who?
He couldn't take out Rome but he destroyed Bill Cosby.
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 10:18 pm
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Posted on 6/30/16 at 10:22 pm to Tiger1242
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The history of Rome podcasts amazing, I've listened to every episode.
Does it get better as it goes on? I tried listening to the first episode and the guy sounds like some kid with a microphone reading out of a textbook and it pretty much put me to sleep.
Posted on 7/1/16 at 9:10 am to efrad
How delivery improved but it's definitely more educational than entertaining. He tells lots of interesting stories
Posted on 7/1/16 at 9:26 am to kingbob
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He didn't have the technology to build large catapults, onagers, trebuchets, siege towers, or rams
Really? Never read much on this period of Roman history but weren't the Carthaginians descended from the ancient Phoenicians? I'm not really doubting you but I would have guessed that a seafaring culture would be very good at engineering on the fly. Is a catapult really that different from a hoist for loading cargo?
Posted on 7/1/16 at 10:04 am to shinerfan
Well the Carthaginian's may have had the technology but there are two problems.
1. The Cathaginian army was almost completely made up of mercenaries and/or barbarians Hannibal recruited on his march to Rome.
2. The Carthaginian government didn't totally support Hannibal and didn't keep him supplied while he was in Rome
1. The Cathaginian army was almost completely made up of mercenaries and/or barbarians Hannibal recruited on his march to Rome.
2. The Carthaginian government didn't totally support Hannibal and didn't keep him supplied while he was in Rome
Posted on 7/1/16 at 10:09 am to Tiger1242
Makes sense.
Posted on 7/1/16 at 10:17 am to Tiger1242
I thought you meant this guy..
People are also 50/50 on him.
People are also 50/50 on him.
Posted on 7/1/16 at 10:21 am to Tiger1242
Probably already been mentioned, but I don't think Hannibal believed he could take Rome or hold Rome. What he could do was defeat Roman armies in the field, and he hoped Romes other allies would desert.
No idea if he was a "good guy" or not. That's an odd question.
No idea if he was a "good guy" or not. That's an odd question.
Posted on 7/1/16 at 10:30 am to biglego
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No idea if he was a "good guy" or not. That's an odd question.
Well since Rome won basically every war they fought in for centuries, coupled with the fact that they kept the most detailed histories, most enemies of Rome come out looking pretty awful in histories eyes. Hannibal seems to garner a lot of respect and admiration even today, which means he must've been pretty damn awesome to have overcome the terribleness Roman historians painted him in
This post was edited on 7/1/16 at 10:36 am
Posted on 7/1/16 at 11:33 am to Tiger1242
I understand your point and no one would deny he was a brilliant general. Just hard to say if someone is "good" or "bad", but I think you weren't meaning it in a morality sense. Yes the Romans talked shite about all their enemies and esp the Carthaginians but I suppose his victories were so impressive that historians couldn't be fooled. I don't recall specifically what contemporary Romans had to say about Hannibal though. Maybe Roman writers granted him a little respect.
I do recall this story which I copy from Wikipedia:
I always thought it interesting that Pyrrhus was always regarded as a great general. he no doubt was, but he took enormous losses in his victories and in the end the Romans defeated him. Perhaps the Roman writers liked to pump him up since it made the Romans look even better.
I do recall this story which I copy from Wikipedia:
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Plutarch states that Hannibal was questioned by Scipio as to who was the greatest general, and Hannibal replied either Alexander or Pyrrhus, then himself, or, according to another version of the event, Pyrrhus, Scipio, then himself
I always thought it interesting that Pyrrhus was always regarded as a great general. he no doubt was, but he took enormous losses in his victories and in the end the Romans defeated him. Perhaps the Roman writers liked to pump him up since it made the Romans look even better.
This post was edited on 7/1/16 at 11:37 am
Posted on 7/1/16 at 11:42 am to biglego
Yea that story is from when Hannibal was self exiled in some foreign court towards the end of his life right?
Something like he and Scipio were both at the same dinner party, must've been quite the tension filled dinner
Something like he and Scipio were both at the same dinner party, must've been quite the tension filled dinner
Posted on 7/1/16 at 2:03 pm to Tiger1242
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How delivery improved but it's definitely more educational than entertaining. He tells lots of interesting stories
Yeah, I used to major in Classical Studies with a minor in Latin (before I realized it would never get me a job and switched to Computer Science) so the entertainment factor isn't really something I care about. I'll give it another try when I get some time.
Posted on 7/1/16 at 2:07 pm to NYNolaguy1
quote:title? Would you recommend?
finished reading a book about Cannae and Hannibal...
Posted on 7/1/16 at 2:50 pm to biglego
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Plutarch states that Hannibal was questioned by Scipio
I can't help but read this in Dan Carlin's voice. He loves him some Plutarch quotes.
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