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re: Walgreens pharmacist denies pregnant woman miscarriage medication over his ethical beliefs
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:30 am to Salmon
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:30 am to Salmon
Because people in here were saying how making her wait another day was putting her health on jeopardy. When she herself waited 2 days to get the med filled.
Just saying she can’t talk about the delay in the med when she delayed it herself.
Just saying she can’t talk about the delay in the med when she delayed it herself.
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Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:30 am to Salmon
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I also believe that the pharmacist failed at his duties as a pharmacist when he allows his personal convictions to overrules his duties to the customer.
And this is where you're wrong. He is under no obligation to do anything further. No matter what you think about his ethics. How can he even begin to do his job without his personal convictions.
What's going on here is that you're letting your experience cloud common sense. Sorry you went through what you did, but that doesn't mean he failed at anything.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:31 am to lsunurse
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I still want to know why she is waiting 2 days to get this med filled.
Because miscarriage traumatizes them and causes them to stop thinking rationally. I feel like you know this already though.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:31 am to UpToPar
But what religious view is “I can’t help you get your dead child out of your body because of ethical reasons”?
It wasn’t an abortion. The guy was wrong and his beliefs were irrelevant.
Edit: not even “cant help you” but rather, “cant give you what your doctor prescribed.”
It wasn’t an abortion. The guy was wrong and his beliefs were irrelevant.
Edit: not even “cant help you” but rather, “cant give you what your doctor prescribed.”
This post was edited on 6/25/18 at 11:32 am
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:31 am to UpToPar
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You said you don't think an OBGYN should take a job where there is a possibility that they might have to decline to perform a procedure that would conflict with their religious views.
Right. Now where did I say they should be forced to perform the procedure?
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There are plenty jobs where there is potential for conflict between the job and religious views.
Right.
And I don't know why someone would purposely put themselves in that conflict.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:34 am to lsunurse
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Arteaga, who lives in Phoenix, Arizona, received an email Wednesday evening, saying her Misoprostol was ready for pickup at her local Walgreens. But, when she went to pick it up Thursday night, the pharmacist on duty refused to give her the drug.
She went the next evening.
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Because people in here were saying how making her wait another day was putting her health on jeopardy.
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Just saying she can’t talk about the delay in the med when she delayed it herself.
Well is it her or random TD posters?
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:34 am to EarlyCuyler3
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And this is where you're wrong. He is under no obligation to do anything further. No matter what you think about his ethics. How can he even begin to do his job without his personal convictions.
I still think a better way to handle it would have been to make a phone call. If unable to get an answer immediately, wait until you get an answer before filling/not filling. Offer to send her to another pharmacy if she needs it immediately.
Obviously the outcome would have been the same, but at least it shows you did your due diligence.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:35 am to EarlyCuyler3
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What's going on here is that you're letting your experience cloud common sense.
Nah.
Even if I didn't go through a miscarriage, I'd feel the same.
Common sense tells me he failed a customer by allowing his personal convictions to get in the way.
This post was edited on 6/25/18 at 11:36 am
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:35 am to lsunurse
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I’m just trying to say that med is likely more stocked in the Walgreens here than wherever she is. ETA: And to point out the numerous Walgreens locations here that would make finding one with the med stocked much easier.
If this is the case, it’s another reason why the pharmacist should be in deep shite, because he could have so easily transferred it to the WAG two blocks away. Why should she have to go face scrutiny and possible rejection again? He is supposed to arrange it to be ready for her elsewhere.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:39 am to Salmon
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Right. Now where did I say they should be forced to perform the procedure?
You didn't. I shouldn't have phrased it that way.
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Right.
And I don't know why someone would purposely put themselves in that conflict.
Because that potential exists in nearly all jobs.
I might be confusing you with someone else, but you're an environmental consultant, correct? Is there not a possibility that a potential client could walk into your office requesting you to work on a project that you strongly oppose?
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:41 am to UpToPar
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I might be confusing you with someone else, but you're an environmental consultant, correct? Is there not a possibility that a potential client could walk into your office requesting you to work on a project that you strongly oppose?
due to personal convictions?
I can't think of any, or at least not any that I would turn down
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:42 am to Salmon
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Common sense tells me he failed a customer by allowing his personal convictions to get in the way.
This is how I know you've no experience around medicine at all. This. Happens. Daily. People aren't robots. I'm sure you've let your personal convictions get in the way at some point as well. To think otherwise is just childish.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:42 am to OKellsBells
The woman herself said on CNN that he offered to send the prescription to another Walgreens.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:43 am to CommoDawg
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What a POS. Hope they have their licence revoked
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:43 am to EarlyCuyler3
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This is how I know you've no experience around medicine at all. This. Happens. Daily. People aren't robots.
Completely irrelevant.
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I'm sure you've let your personal convictions get in the way at some point as well. To think otherwise is just childish.
Maybe. Probably. Still trying to understand the relevance.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:45 am to Salmon
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Still trying to understand the relevance.
Of this I've no doubt.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:46 am to Boss
quote:sounds like we are on the same side.
Salmon and i are on opposite sides of the argument. My wife is also a pharmacist.
And let me say that my thing is that this woman has every right to be irrational and angry, but going on FB and CNN is not the proper way.
If the pharmacist immediately sent the prescription to another pharmacist to fill then he followed protocol. If he didn't, then he would be subject to disciplinary action by WAGs. The AZ board of pharmacy has no cause to do anything to the pharmacist
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:46 am to lsunurse
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When she herself waited 2 days to get the med filled. Just saying she can’t talk about the delay in the med when she delayed it herself.
Aren’t you a nurse!? The misoprostol will cause a lot of pain and bleeding. Maybe she planned to take them when she wasn’t working, had a sitter, or when another person could be with her for support. Either way, he unnecessarily delayed it past the time she had planned and arranged to pass the dead fetus.
I’m confused - what your position is on this? Sounds like you are suspicious of her for some reason.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:46 am to EarlyCuyler3
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Of this I've no doubt.
Can you explain the relevance of your point?
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:47 am to Salmon
quote:here is where I think you are wrong...you might not agree with him, or think he is a shitstain but him doing that DID NOT make him fail at his duties.
also believe that the pharmacist failed at his duties as a pharmacist when he allows his personal convictions to overrules his duties to the customer.
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