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re: Waffle House workers are the latest group to strike, requesting $25 per hour
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:39 am to SpidermanTUba
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:39 am to SpidermanTUba
If you work at a restaurant, you now have experience at grill / waiter / point of sale / whatever.
You can then try to take that to a better restaurant where you get higher pay or can build more skills which allows you to keep moving on up.
If you can juggle 10 orders at 3am from a bunch of drunken assholes, you are probably capable of handling game time during various sports seasons at Buffalo Wild Wings or somewhere else which may pay or tip better. Etc.
You can then try to take that to a better restaurant where you get higher pay or can build more skills which allows you to keep moving on up.
If you can juggle 10 orders at 3am from a bunch of drunken assholes, you are probably capable of handling game time during various sports seasons at Buffalo Wild Wings or somewhere else which may pay or tip better. Etc.
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:39 am to SpidermanTUba
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If you think restaurant employees should settle for crap pay just because everyone else does, what kind of "ism" is that?
Realism.
They
Have
No
Commercial
Value
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:39 am to teke184
This model of yours, for the price of waffles, can you describe the underlying assumptions? Correct my ignorance.
Thanks.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:40 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Grown arse men realize there are two ways to increase your value. Training and education.
Progressives applaud unskilled, uneducated lazy arse people who refuse to better themselves and instead hold their breath and cry.
Unskilled, uneducated people have very little economic value. In fact, they have none because they are easily replaceable.
Want a substantial raise? Get off your arse and learn a skill.
No one is talking about a raise my friend. What is going on is the subsidization or low wage employers production costs. The worker is not getting a raise there production costs are merely coming from the revenue of the business which employes them instead of taxpayers. How so many people who are otherwise seemingly intelligent missed the memo about the lack of free lunches is beyond me but there are a bunch of yall out ther...
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:41 am to SpidermanTUba
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This model of yours, for the price of waffles,
Less Waffles sold, fewer jobs needed. Company automates to be competitive with other similar outlets, all Waffle House employees lose their jobs.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:41 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Realism.
They
Have
No
Commercial
Value
OK. Waffle House and their competitors don't seem to think so. But whatever you say, sure.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:43 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Less Waffles sold, fewer jobs needed. Company automates to be competitive with other similar outlets, all Waffle House employees lose their jobs.
So why doesn't Waffle House lower the pay? Are you telling me the current pay just happens to magically be at the optimum rate, just by coincidence? Or are their forces at play that establish this?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:44 am to SpidermanTUba
Been 20 years since I have needed to do this.
Blue line is supply, which is what is out there to be purchased.
Red line is demand, which is what the market is willing to buy.
Green dotted line is equilibrium price, meaning the amount of demand and the amount of supply are equal, meaning that is the current sustainable price for that good or service.
If you have too much supply (P1), prices may need to go down for enough demand to use up all that supply.
If you have more demand than supply, that is a shortage and the price goes up.
When something happens to change the supply or demand, the equilibrium will shift upward or downward to the new price.
If the price is artificially set, you either sell out completely (shortage) or can’t sell enough (surplus) until one of supply, demand, or price shifts.
Blue line is supply, which is what is out there to be purchased.
Red line is demand, which is what the market is willing to buy.
Green dotted line is equilibrium price, meaning the amount of demand and the amount of supply are equal, meaning that is the current sustainable price for that good or service.
If you have too much supply (P1), prices may need to go down for enough demand to use up all that supply.
If you have more demand than supply, that is a shortage and the price goes up.
When something happens to change the supply or demand, the equilibrium will shift upward or downward to the new price.
If the price is artificially set, you either sell out completely (shortage) or can’t sell enough (surplus) until one of supply, demand, or price shifts.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:44 am to Nutriaitch
Not at that pace they can’t!
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:45 am to Dawgfanman
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Diners existed then and the cook wasn’t a HS kid and made enough to live a decent life.
According to my mom, she used to get a quarter a week to cover her weekly school lunch. Things have changed
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:47 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Unskilled, uneducated people have very little economic value. In fact, they have none because they are easily replaceable.
The question that is begged is do those people have any value of any kind?
If a business relies on labor to drive revenue that business should foot the entirety of that labor's cost of production from the revenue driven. They should not rely on taxpayers to subsidize their production costs. Most employers do not. ALL low wage employers do. It is not a question of anyone getting a raise it is a question of who is footing the cost of production. It really is that simple. Low wage workers are meeting their nut somehow. They are either doing it through labor, the dole, crime or some combination of the three. We are all better served if it by labor and their employer foots the entire cost of their production. Why so many people who claim to be conservatives are willing to allow low wage employers to bilk the conservative out of tax money so the low wage employer can garner more wealth is beyond me...and most of them will get very pissed off and resort to calling anyone all manner of foul names if they point out that most employers pay for their production costs, who shouldn't low wage employers.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:48 am to SpidermanTUba
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So why doesn't Waffle House lower the pay?
Waffle House pays the wage required to attract workers. Lay off all your employees, Hire illegals at a lower wage and profit. When pay becomes inefficient, they automate like the local McDonalds did.
The wage rises when you cannot hire suitable workers. Waffle house workers are unskilled and uneducated, theyre easily replaceable and have little to no commercial value.
Higher cost equals less labor purchased, means higher wages for the few workers who keep their jobs and more unemployment. Your idea means widespread unemployment. Waffle House products are elastic, higher prices mean less consumption.
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 10:49 am
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:50 am to AwgustaDawg
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Why so many people who claim to be conservatives are willing to allow low wage employers to bilk the conservative out of tax money so the low wage employer can garner more wealth is beyond me
They are low iq. They can’t help it.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:53 am to AwgustaDawg
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No one is talking about a raise my friend. What is going on is the subsidization or low wage employers production costs. The worker is not getting a raise there production costs are merely coming from the revenue of the business which employes them instead of taxpayers. How so many people who are otherwise seemingly intelligent missed the memo about the lack of free lunches is beyond me but there are a bunch of yall out ther...
Is that an example of a "positive externality" ?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:55 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Why so many people who claim to be conservatives are willing to allow low wage employers to bilk the conservative out of tax money so the low wage employer can garner more wealth is beyond me
They are low iq. They can’t help it.
If you read that and thought it had any validity..
Is that how you get raises lil Johnny? Hold your breath til you turn blue?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:57 am to AwgustaDawg
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The question that is begged is do those people have any value of any kind?
If they choose.
Are you saying there are millions of absolutely worthless humans on in this country? If so, they need to die out.
Is it really hard in your world to increase personal value?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Waffle House pays the wage required to attract workers.
It looks like that might not be the case though, right? If their workers are thinking about maybe not wanting to work? How can you ignore the opinion of the people that actually work their as to what a fair price for their labor is? I mean, really?
quote:
The wage rises when you cannot hire suitable workers. Waffle house workers are unskilled and uneducated, theyre easily replaceable and have little to no commercial value.
Oh that's why. They ain't people to you. Now it all makes sense.
Good day!
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:59 am to SpidermanTUba
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Are you telling me the current pay just happens to magically be at the optimum rate, just by coincidence? Or are their forces at play that establish this?
it's not magic at all.
it's called years and years of fluctuation based on the market.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:00 am to RaginCajunz
it's borderline alarming that I read your response fluently and the way it was intended to be expressed
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:00 am to SpidermanTUba
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It looks like that might not be the case though, right?
Sure, they can fire everyone and start again, or replace with machines.
Personally I would just automate and lose as much dependency on low value workers as possible.
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The Union of Southern Service Workers has launched the campaign at multiple Waffle Houses, saying in a petition that employees are getting organized and demanding $25 an hour in response to their refusal to be exploited.
They may frick up by unionizing workers with no skill or education. Their only choice may be automation.
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 11:02 am
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