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Posted on 2/8/23 at 12:59 am to tide06
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t Halleck desperately want to get rid of him for most of the western campaign.
Halleck absolutely was not a fan of Grant's and stood in his way at every turn until Grant's field accomplishments were just too many to be denied
Posted on 2/8/23 at 6:43 am to antibarner
If there was one general that Longstreet "feared", it was Grant. He knew Grant since West Point and understood his tenacity.
We Southerners don't like to give Grant his due, but some of the things he did were every bit as impressive militarily as anything Lee or Jackson did. The proof is in the results. Shiloh where his actions probably saved his army, Vicksburg where he simultaneously laid seige and fought off another army at Jackson and Chattanooga where he forces an Army off a mountain.
In the case of Chattanooga, I'm not sure that many realize what a feat that was. Now, N.Va was different, he had to slug it out at the Wilderness and Cold Harbor, etc. But even there, he shows his staying power ....something other commanders in charge did not have.
Like I said, if he was a drunk, he was an incredibly effective drunk.
We Southerners don't like to give Grant his due, but some of the things he did were every bit as impressive militarily as anything Lee or Jackson did. The proof is in the results. Shiloh where his actions probably saved his army, Vicksburg where he simultaneously laid seige and fought off another army at Jackson and Chattanooga where he forces an Army off a mountain.
In the case of Chattanooga, I'm not sure that many realize what a feat that was. Now, N.Va was different, he had to slug it out at the Wilderness and Cold Harbor, etc. But even there, he shows his staying power ....something other commanders in charge did not have.
Like I said, if he was a drunk, he was an incredibly effective drunk.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 6:46 am to RollTide1987
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honor of Ulysses S. Grant
Do Pol Pot next.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 6:47 am to Tall Tiger
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The Vicksburg battlefield is one of the greatest U.S. military sites I have ever seen. I rank it right up there with Gettysburg and Normandy.
160 years later and you can still see remnants of the battle in the landscape
Posted on 2/8/23 at 6:48 am to Junky
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Grant’s subordinates were sub par, but that’s his own problem and a direct reflection on his leadership. He should have controlled them or replaced them. Does a lion complain about his jackasses, or does he lead those jackasses to victory?
Uh...those weren't his subordinates.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 7:15 am to RollTide1987
I guess Sherman was incompetent?
Posted on 2/8/23 at 9:33 am to RollTide1987
A friend of mine wrote I book on that campaign. I spent 2 days with him re-tracing Grant's movements and then one day on the battlefield. As good as the battlefield is I enjoyed re-tracing the route more. Especially from the Mississippi River to Port Gibson. The road we used is so little traveled that we had to clear fallen branches and small trees from it. A couple of very cool plantation sites that have been completely abandoned and are in ruins.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:52 am to Mr. Misanthrope
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I think a case could be made that losing Chattanooga was equally as costly to the South as losing Vicksburg. Maybe more so.
Losing Chattanooga was definitely a major blow to the Confederacy but not on the same level as Vicksburg. But Chattanooga was an important railroad hub as well as a vital manufacturing center. This is another thing people forget when comparing Grant with his Confederate contemporaries. Lee and Jackson were both excellent battlefield commanders but the vast majority of their battlefield victories were Pyrrhic in nature. When Grant won battles/campaigns, it would typically be a death blow to the Confederates in that region of the country.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 1:50 pm to RollTide1987
FIgured I would drop this in here.
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Gettysburg NMP
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Earlier today, unexploded ordnance was found within the Little Round Top rehabilitation area. Adjacent roads have been temporarily closed to all visitors. US Marine EOD team - Fot Belvoir, VA will remove the shell. Roads will only be reopened when the area has been declared safe.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 12:29 am to RollTide1987
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Losing Chattanooga was definitely a major blow to the Confederacy but not on the same level as Vicksburg. But Chattanooga was an important railroad hub as well as a vital manufacturing center.
Like antibarner wrote earlier if Grant doesn’t take Vicksburg, he and Sherman aren’t free to rescue Roscecrans in Chattanooga and kick the door open to north Georgia and Atlanta.
All that unfolding in sequence was, as you said,
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a death blow to the Confederates.
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