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Victim shaming not habit evidence in Gruver case
Posted on 4/12/19 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 4/12/19 at 3:09 pm
Advocate article
Sober 5 days out of 28 days is not a habit? Hmm...
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A jury won't be allowed to hear about Max Gruver's alleged alcohol and marijuana use when a former LSU student stands trial in the 2017 hazing death of the 18-year-old fraternity pledge, a Baton Rouge judge ruled Friday.
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Gruver's roommate stated in an interview that Gruver, who was on the LSU campus about 30 days, was "sober for maybe five of those nights," the court filing says. Another witness told the East Baton Rouge Parish District Attorney’s Office it was commonplace for him to see Gruver drunk, so he “did not think much of it when Max was laid out on the couch” following the hazing ritual, the filing states.
Sober 5 days out of 28 days is not a habit? Hmm...
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Posted on 4/12/19 at 3:13 pm to Stexas
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Victim shaming not habit evidence in Gruver case
I wouldn't call it victim shaming exactly. however I do not see how his alcohol use and pot habit is relevant in this case since they were made to drink a frick ton of alcohol. Dude still took things a bit too far.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 3:14 pm to Stexas
Kids drink when they get to college. I’m pretty sure the Ancients described it in detail. 35 years later I can tell you every drink special at LSU from those days.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 3:14 pm to Stexas
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East Baton Rouge Parish Assistant District Attorney Morgan Johnson called the defense request "victim shaming"
Posted on 4/12/19 at 3:16 pm to Stexas
I'm not saying the dude is right or wrong, but of course he's going to say anything to try and save his arse. I've always been of the opinion that if I were in Gruver's situation I would know when I've had enough and would have stopped myself. But I don't remember shite about being 18 and I might have very well succumbed to peer pressure. Sad story all around.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 3:16 pm to Stexas
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Sober 5 days out of 28 days is not a habit?
nah, it's determination/dedication
Posted on 4/12/19 at 3:17 pm to Lsupimp
tragic death however you look at it, and I know nothing of the details, however if he was high and drank a lot (by force or otherwise) you lose some of your ability to throw-up so it appears possible this would be part of the argument..
Posted on 4/12/19 at 3:17 pm to Cump11b
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I wouldn't call it victim shaming exactly. however I do not see how his alcohol use and pot habit is relevant in this case since they were made to drink a frick ton of alcohol. Dude still took things a bit too far.
Personal accountability be damned?
Posted on 4/12/19 at 3:17 pm to Stexas
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Sober 5 days out of 28 days is not a habit? Hmm...
That seems fairly normal for a college freshman
Posted on 4/12/19 at 3:18 pm to Stexas
This whole case is ridiculous. The dude drank too much alcohol and died. It sucks but it happens. No need to ruin another persons life.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 3:19 pm to jchamil
5 days out of 28? Pretty sure that I was worse my first semester
Posted on 4/12/19 at 3:21 pm to Walt OReilly
Exactly. Terrible for everyone involved. Don’t ruin another young man’s life to make an example/prove a point.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 3:29 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
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5 days out of 28? Pretty sure that I was worse my first semester
And most likely only abstained those 5 days just from being too hugover
Posted on 4/12/19 at 3:41 pm to Stexas
Drunk only 25 days in his first month?
This post was edited on 4/12/19 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 4/12/19 at 3:44 pm to Stexas
If that kid’s parents didn’t want him to be a nonstop partier, they shouldn’t have named him Max Gruver.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 3:47 pm to Cump11b
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I do not see how his alcohol use and pot habit is relevant in this case
It is relevant because there were 20+ other kids also being hazed that night and only one of them died.
The defense is trying to build a case around a story that if the hazing was so extreme, why weren't the other kids also near death? They will try to say that it wasn't the hazing that killed him but his own lack of limit control.
They will say that the hazing was the vehicle that killed him but that Gruver was driving that vehicle, not the Hazers.
I am not saying this defense is right or wrong or whether it will work but it's obvious that's what they are going for.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 3:56 pm to Cump11b
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I do not see how his alcohol use and pot habit is relevant in this case since they were made to drink a frick ton of alcohol.
I'm not sure admitting it would make a difference in the jury's decision. The kid's BAC was .495, which is so high that I don't see how anyone can claim that they just assumed Gruver was drinking the same as he normally does. This will be an appealable issue though for the Defendants if they're convicted.
Posted on 4/12/19 at 4:07 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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It is relevant because there were 20+ other kids also being hazed that night and only one of them died.
That's not relevant when they are trying to prove that Max was singled out
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They will say that the hazing was the vehicle that killed him but that Gruver was driving that vehicle, not the Hazers.
If he was high when he showed up for the "hazing, you could argue that he was not of sound mind to make proper decisions, therefore putting responsibility on the hazer
Posted on 4/12/19 at 4:08 pm to SCLibertarian
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I'm not sure admitting it would make a difference in the jury's decision. The kid's BAC was .495, which is so high that I don't see how anyone can claim that they just assumed Gruver was drinking the same as he normally does. This will be an appealable issue though for the Defendants if they're convicted.
They're appealing the decision now so I doubt it will serve as a reason to appeal if convicted
Posted on 4/12/19 at 4:09 pm to Stexas
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Personal accountability
For what? Having someone force enough 151 down your throat to turn into a human torch?
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