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re: Vice Video: The New Wave of American Masculinity
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:22 am to ProjectP2294
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:22 am to ProjectP2294
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So you were better behaved when the school day started because the excess energy was done with. What a novel concept. We don't need recess anymore, we've got pill for that.
Yep.
Finland recently developed "Kids On The Move" which is a program designed for more exercise and less classroom. The kids themselves are facilitators and competitive games are included.
Meanwhile, in the USA, we're catering to the least common denominator.
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Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:24 am to Hog on the Hill
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Social engineering gets thrown around like a bad word,
Under the guise of social justice, it is a bad term. It's horrible and damaging.
This is the lefts version of the moral majority and there will be enormous backlash.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:29 am to Salmon
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I need evidence.
Like current trends in graduation rates and income of men vs women? Would that work? How about ADHD/hyperactivity prescription rates of boys vs. girls?
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:31 am to ProjectP2294
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This might get a little slippery-slopish, but this type of shite will lead to dearth of innovative military strategists, among other things.
Not quite analogous, but the total lack of teaching military history in school, a fundamental component of history and geography, contributes to this feminization.
Omitting military history doesn't fully paint the picture of our societal development and the struggles Western civilization has experienced.
(I theorize this lack of knowledge of 20th century history, communism/socialism specifically, is the basis for most support for Bernie Sanders by people under 25. They missed the failure of communism and the 100 million+ it killed, plus no one taught them the truth, so communism doesn't seem so bad.)
According to my AP American history teacher, who was on the national board that wrote the exam (1996), she said the primary reason of military history has been abandoned is boys excelled at it and it didn't engage girls as emotionally. Girls performed much worse on essay questions that entailed historical developments based on military outcomes, I.e most of the 20th century.
Echoing comments below about boys playing games, I can see how military history would engage high school boys more than Emily Dickinson (garbage) poems and Toni Morrison incest stories.
Try teaching western history without mentioning Athens, Sparta, Caesar, Charlemagne, Robert E. Lee, Patton, Rommel, MacArthur, Napoleon, Hannibal or Genghis Khan and you get a bunch of unfulfilled misfit boys who don't know about the struggles what made us who are as a society.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:32 am to Hog on the Hill
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And yet somehow playing tug of war and dodgeball gives you a better idea. Yeah right
What are you talking about? I never said anything about tug of war or dodgeball. I just said games like CoD give kids and young men a false idea of combat and how wars are fought. What does dodgeball or tug of war have to do with this?
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:34 am to SlowFlowPro
People are so busy trying to fit themselves in little boxes that they have no fricking idea who they really are.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:35 am to Darth_Vader
quote:Someone implied that there would be a dearth of innovative military strategists in the future because boys are discouraged from playing tug of war, dodgeball, tag, etc. I countered by saying that many boys are now playing combat-oriented video games, even if they aren't playing the aforementioned games. They're still being exposed to games that require tactical and strategic thinking.
What are you talking about? I never said anything about tug of war or dodgeball. I just said games like CoD give kids and young men a false idea of combat and how wars are fought. What does dodgeball or tug of war have to do with this?
Obviously, none of these games closely approximate combat. It's the type of thinking that they require that is useful.
But ultimately I don't think that playing these games are necessarily related to future military prowess. I only made the observation about video games to counter what the other poster had implied.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:36 am to Jcorye1
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People are so busy trying to fit themselves in little boxes that they have no fricking idea who they really are.
Yep, and they're being enabled in these fantasies.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:41 am to Jcorye1
quote:I agree. People who are caught up trying to be masculine and worrying about whether other people are masculine are missing something much more important about the human experience. Be who you are and do what you want to do.
People are so busy trying to fit themselves in little boxes that they have no fricking idea who they really are.
Ultimately, if you're worried about how other people perceive your masculinity, you are being controlled by other people.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:44 am to Hog on the Hill
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I agree. People who are caught up trying to be masculine and worrying about whether other people are masculine are missing something much more important about the human experience. Be who you are and do what you want to do
Masculinity isn't something you have to fake.
Put boys and girls on a playground and see what they gravitate towards.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:45 am to Hog on the Hill
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But ultimately I don't think that playing these games are necessarily related to future military prowess. I only made the observation about video games to counter what the other poster had implied.
Actually there is one area that video games help, that's in hand eye coordination. Even back in my day in the late 80's my instructors at the Armor School noted how we were quicker to become proficient at the gunner's station and they attributed it the popularity of things like arcades and Ataris.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:54 am to Darth_Vader
quote:I believe that. I'm sure anyone who's played video games, especially flight/military simulators, can adapt some of their skills to certain military occupations.
Actually there is one area that video games help, that's in hand eye coordination. Even back in my day in the late 80's my instructors at the Armor School noted how we were quicker to become proficient at the gunner's station and they attributed it the popularity of things like arcades and Ataris.
If someone plays competitively in a military simulator like Arma then there are probably certain things that they'll pick up on faster in real military training. But obviously real military training is going to trump anything you've done in a video game, and simply playing video games, no matter how realistic the simulation might be, will prepare you for combat.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 11:56 am
Posted on 5/10/16 at 12:17 pm to Hog on the Hill
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That is extremely slippery-slopish. How many kids play CoD, Battlefield, and other combat-oriented video games? A ton of them. They miss the physical component, but they still promote tactical thinking (if you're any good).
I don't necessarily agree with the OP's premise, but this is off, too.
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And I don't think that playing games like dodgeball or tug of war or Call of Duty is necessary to become an innovative military strategist. There are many ways to learn the kind of thinking that is required for military exploits.
Not really. Combat is an extremely physical/visceral experience. You can't really understand what you're asking of people without physically doing it yourself.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 12:33 pm to Rust Cohle
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Rust Cohle
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Wow, that video really opened my eyes. It made me realize that some men are so clueless as to what masculinity is. There is literally not one masculine man in the whole show. But the show is filled with men trying to be masculine. Masculinity is about power. The power to do anything. And your power over another person, your power to stop their power. Modern laws, and ways have shifted physical power to mental power. That's why things are shifting, most people have either bronze or brains. It used to be bronze were the leaders in this world, but now it's brains, and bronze aren't doing as well.
I believe you were looking for the word brawn, like the paper towel brand with the lumber jack.
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