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re: Vice President says U.S. expects Strait of Hormuz to be open ‘toll free’ long term
Posted on 6/16/26 at 12:44 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Posted on 6/16/26 at 12:44 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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shroom is just a cheap copy
Please don’t attack my inner self, words hurt
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Posted on 6/16/26 at 12:45 pm to UFFan
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Not sure why you posted this on here rather than the poliboard.
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I wanted to read opinions from a non-echo chamber.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 12:45 pm to UFFan
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Not sure why you posted this on here rather than the poliboard. This is more of a poliboard type thread, and the poliboard sucks Trump's dick even more than this board does.
Trump has serious health problems and I’m sure can.no longer get a boner. He turned 90 yesterday
Posted on 6/16/26 at 1:08 pm to wesfau
Posted on 6/16/26 at 1:11 pm to ragincajun03
Wait. So we spent billions of dollars and destroyed the lives of many of our soldiers to obtain exactly what we had prior to the war?
This is some Art of the Deal level shite here folks, and you idiots will lap it up!
Maybe before you swat a hornets nest, have a better plan next time. Also, does that mean we can spend less money on defense now that we've ended another war in a strategic defeat? Stop sending munitions to other countries? Mothball the fleet thats glorified target practice for modern ballistic?
The whole Iran War was just a proving grounds of inteptitude for our military and our government's foreign "policy".
This is some Art of the Deal level shite here folks, and you idiots will lap it up!
Maybe before you swat a hornets nest, have a better plan next time. Also, does that mean we can spend less money on defense now that we've ended another war in a strategic defeat? Stop sending munitions to other countries? Mothball the fleet thats glorified target practice for modern ballistic?
The whole Iran War was just a proving grounds of inteptitude for our military and our government's foreign "policy".
This post was edited on 6/16/26 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 6/16/26 at 1:13 pm to Obtuse1
quote:Agreed.
If this language is correct, it is a horrible deal. Objectively worse than the JCPOA with a MUCH higher cost.
One of the unforgivable blunders is the country with the most significant conventional warfare capabilities on earth will look weak. It doesn't matter how strong you are if you are constantly being tried by weaker and having to prove your strength over and over and bear those costs.
Lots of bombs, missiles, and too many lives for beginning of the year status quo.
If that language is accurate, this is not a “depends on your lens” situation. It is worse than the JCPOA, except now with a body count, depleted stockpiles, and a massive bill stapled to it.
The JCPOA at least got actual nuclear restrictions up front in exchange for sanctions relief. This looks like we went to war, burned munitions, exposed capabilities, rattled markets, let Iran demonstrate the leverage of Hormuz, and then came back with a deal that gives them sanctions relief, access to frozen assets, oil waivers, and a giant rehabilitation package while pushing the serious nuclear questions down the road.
Brilliant stuff. Truly elite statesmanship.
Break the original deal. Let the situation deteriorate. Start a war. Fail to produce surrender. Then negotiate a more expensive version of what you already had and call it a historic win. Somewhere, a casino bankruptcy attorney is wiping away a tear.
And yes, the “looking weak” part matters. Strength is not proving you can punch a smaller opponent. Strength is achieving the objective without constantly having to remind everyone you are strong. The United States has the most capable conventional military on earth. Getting dragged into a costly cycle where weaker regimes can impose costs, force negotiation, and walk away still in power is not deterrence. It is shitty management with more expensive aircraft.
Lots of bombs. Lots of missiles. Too many lives. Depleted stockpiles. China taking notes. Allies watching the circus. Iran still there. The nuclear issue still not settled. Hormuz now proven as a pressure point.
All that to arrive somewhere worse than when we started.
MAGA.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 1:19 pm to bountyhunter
quote:No. It’s worse than what we had before the war.
Wait. So we spent billions of dollars and destroyed the lives of many of our soldiers to obtain exactly what we had prior to the war?
This is some Art of the Deal level shite here folks, and you idiots will lap it up!
If the language being posted is accurate, we didn’t spend billions and wreck lives to get back to the prior status quo. We spent billions, wrecked lives, burned through munitions, exposed our capabilities, rattled global markets, and then accepted a worse version of the prior status quo.
The JCPOA at least had actual nuclear restrictions baked into the deal. Now we have “we’ll negotiate that later.”
Art of the Deal, apparently: tear up the old deal, make everything worse, bomb your way back to negotiations, pay more, get less, and wait for the fan club to call you a genius.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 1:22 pm to northshorebamaman
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No. It’s worse than what we had before the war
I think it’s even worse than what you are saying.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 1:23 pm to northshorebamaman
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All that to arrive somewhere worse than when we started.
Way worse, actually. We demonstrated the following things:
1. Our military is too expensive to risk in a real global conflict.
2. Our doctrines don't really have an answer to drone warfare.
3. The American public does not have the political focus to take on a war.
4. The American sphere of influence and its weapons exports umbrella has supply chain issues and is extremely vulnerable.
5. To pressure our foreign policy, all you have to do is restrict the global oil market. Iran will have the silver bullet for the American monster, all you have to do is buy their loyalty.
6. The dollar will be supplanted inside of 20 years as the global currency. Just watch.
Dark times ahead.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 1:25 pm to northshorebamaman
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The JCPOA at least had actual nuclear restrictions baked into the deal. Now we have “we’ll negotiate that later
And that we won't impose new sanctions when they continue not developing a nuclear weapon like they weren't developing.
Taco Tuesday really delivered this time.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 1:25 pm to bountyhunter
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Way worse, a
Far worse
Posted on 6/16/26 at 1:53 pm to bountyhunter
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all you have to do is restrict the global oil market.
Not saying this isn't possible but despite it being shut down for 3 months, oil never touched $200 a barrel as was prophesized.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 1:53 pm to Mushroom1968
quote:I'm saying it's worse than you think.
I think it’s even worse than what you are saying.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 1:53 pm to northshorebamaman
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I think it’s even worse than what you are saying.
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I'm saying it's worse than you think.
It is even worse than that
Posted on 6/16/26 at 1:54 pm to northshorebamaman
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I'm saying it's worse than you think.
It’s much worse than I think
Posted on 6/16/26 at 1:56 pm to Mushroom1968
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It’s much worse than I think
Posted on 6/16/26 at 2:10 pm to bad93ex
quote:That’s like getting mugged and saying, “Well, he only took half my money.”
Not saying this isn't possible but despite it being shut down for 3 months, oil never touched $200 a barrel as was prophesized.
So you're saying “it could have been worse”?
“The disaster was not as bad as some people predicted” is not the same thing as “there was no disaster.” Oil not touching $200 does not prove Hormuz had no leverage. It proves the worst-case prediction was higher than the actual pain required.
Iran didn't even need for oil to hit $200. We folded well before that.
This post was edited on 6/16/26 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 6/16/26 at 2:14 pm to bad93ex
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oil never touched $200 a barrel as was prophesized.
You started to see demand destruction in asian markets.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 2:14 pm to northshorebamaman
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So you're saying “it could have been worse”?
No, the world was supposed to end and the sky was supposed to fall.
Posted on 6/16/26 at 2:15 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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You started to see demand destruction in asian markets.
China's reaction to the strait closing was not foreseen
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