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re: Vermilion Parish teacher arrested during school board meeting

Posted on 1/11/18 at 6:49 am to
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
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Posted on 1/11/18 at 6:49 am to
You are talking about different circumstances and people with different agendas.

Could the teacher have acted differently, which would have ended with better results? Of course.

Could the Marshall have acted differently, which would have ended with better results? Of course.

The main problem was the boards handling of it, in my opinion. There was a side by side video of a male teacher doing the same, or worse, at a meeting with no Marshall involved and no removal.

When you look at the who, what, when, where and why of this, its not really fair to compare it to every other situation of someone being removed from a meeting.
Posted by reggielendale
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:02 am to
Thank you for a rational and coherent reply. I agree with the premise that both sides could have handled it and should have handled it much differently. However this board does not show consistency with that mindset. There was some SJW woman Who was at least twice escorted from city Council meetings I believe over the summer or last spring. The majority on this board were clamoring for her arrest and applauding her being escorted off. The same ones who were yippee-ya-yaying when Mr. Gary chambers was arrested for speaking off topic or refusing to keep quiet when told to keep quiet.

The majority seem to support a person rights when they agree with what the person is saying. However the same support is not offered when a person is speaking up against the majority OT views. In fact, people support the right to shut these people up or even arrest them. I believe that for the most part the circumstances described above and this school board meeting where similar except that in this case different from the majority here.
This post was edited on 1/11/18 at 7:07 am
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:11 am to
What are the scenarios here? What was the "SJW woman" escorted out for? What is Mr. Chambers continually escorted out for? I don't pay attention to BR politics, so I'm legitimately asking.
Posted by reggielendale
Member since Jan 2006
1103 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:19 am to
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hat are the scenarios here? What was the "SJW woman" escorted out for? What is Mr. Chambers continually escorted out for? I don't pay attention to BR politics, so I'm legitimately asking.

Speaking off topic and continuing to speak when told not to speak anymore.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:20 am to
Hmmm Chambers kept bringing up things not on the agenda and refused to leave, this woman brought up something on the agenda, the superintendent didn't like it and mentioned no questions. From what I see the woman even says, "fine I'm leaving" and goes to walk out. Once what happened when she walked out we don't know, from what we saw in the room was her willingly leaving once it is obvious they are not going to entertain her. t
Posted by reggielendale
Member since Jan 2006
1103 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:22 am to
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mm Chambers kept bringing up things not on the agenda and refused to leave, this woman brought up something on the agenda, the superintendent didn't like it and mentioned no questions. From what I see the woman even says, "fine I'm leaving" and goes to walk out. Once what happened when she walked out we don't know, from what we saw in the room was her willingly leaving once it is obvious they are not going to entertain her. t

This woman also continued to speak on her way out when she was not allowed. She also put her hands on the officer in a defense mode when he attempted to escort her out After she first did not comply to leave.

For the record, I do not think she should have been arrested . I do think that she should have been kept quiet or escorted out if she continue to break council rules. Same Holds true for social justice warrior and chambers my point is the inconsistency in this board’s reaction to the scenarios
This post was edited on 1/11/18 at 7:29 am
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:26 am to
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Speaking off topic and continuing to speak when told not to speak anymore


She wasn't speaking off topic though. And she had been recognized to speak both times she was speaking.

She was told to stop talking when what she was saying went against what some of the board wanted to hear.

Now, I do agree with you 100% on what you said previously. If someone stands up for something that another doesn't believe with, their reaction will be to arrest/remove/shut up that person. If a person stands up for something another believes, their reaction will be "good for them."
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:29 am to
I'm curious as to when she put her hands on the officer, I've only watched the video once and I see her pull away when he goes to grab her in the room. As far as speaking out, she is talking aloud to everyone saying it is bullcrap. Chambers stood directly at the podium and continued even as the officer approached. Chambers didn't volunteer to leave on his own like this woman did. I also have a problem with how it was handled having attended these meetings, questions are normally asked, the superintendent just didn't like these questions.
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
13047 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:29 am to
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Speaking off topic and continuing to speak when told not to speak anymore.


Ok, my first issue with your comparison is that the teacher was only off topic because Fontana said she was. Anyone with a half a brain can recognize the validity of her questions/concerns. Why is the superintendent being given a raise after 5 years when the teachers haven't been given one in a decade? The justification for the raise was improvement in the rankings. Well, the SI isn't teaching the kids, so why does he get one and the teachers do not?

So again, how exactly were the woman and Chambers off topic?
Posted by reggielendale
Member since Jan 2006
1103 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:30 am to
She was recognized. She went past her allotted three minutes and they even allow that. She was no longer recognized at that point.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
25483 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:31 am to
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However this board does not show consistency with that mindset.


You won't get consistency with thousands of people, with different opinions.

For the record, you won't find me in any of those theads saying so and so should or shouldn't have been arrested. Im of the belief that the media never gives the entire story. So I try not to form an opinion based on a small video clip, and the info given by one side in the news.

Its similar to the national anthem stuff in the NFL. I don't believe in it, but I don't see a problem with people doing it for the reasons they are doing it.
Posted by reggielendale
Member since Jan 2006
1103 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:32 am to
She put her hands on him when he first attempted to escort her out at the beginning. And yes she did continue to make comments to the crowd. That is not allowed either.
Posted by reggielendale
Member since Jan 2006
1103 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:36 am to
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k, my first issue with your comparison is that the teacher was only off topic because Fontana said she was. Anyone with a half a brain can recognize the validity of her questions/concerns. Why is the superintendent being given a raise after 5 years when the teachers haven't been given one in a decade?

Those are valid points and I agree. However those comments were for a different meeting. She should have attended and commented at that meeting. Additionally, she was allowed or three minutes and then some . She continued to complain after her time was up.
This post was edited on 1/11/18 at 7:47 am
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
25483 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:37 am to
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She was recognized. She went past her allotted three minutes and they even allow that. She was no longer recognized at that point


So you listened to the Fontana interview and now are using this as your argument. At no point during that meeting did he say, "Ma'am you have had your three minutes. Its now time to move on to somebody else." She was stopped when she didn't agree with Fontana's views.


As far as being off topic. She never was. Again, it didn't fit what Fontana wanted to discuss, so he tried to shut it down. The topic was the contract, the raise was in the contract. So I fail to see how its off topic.

As far as putting hands on the officer. I never saw that. She pulled her arm away when he tried to grab her, which is the natural reaction of 90% of people when anyone would try to grab them. She also was willingly leaving on her own.
Posted by LSUsmartass
Scompton
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:38 am to
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She was recognized. She went past her allotted three minutes and they even allow that. She was no longer recognized at that point.

Right, but she was recognized a second time and the Super even started to engage her in a cordial back and forth right before the officer got to her, in fact the officer's actions interrupted the Super.
This post was edited on 1/11/18 at 7:41 am
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
25483 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:38 am to
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However those comments were for a different meeting. She should have attended and commented at that meeting.


Explain further please.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
25483 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:43 am to
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Watch this video. Then compare the two. He was also a teacher. He was just as, or more, aggressive than she was. He also actually approached them when talking. Where was the Marshall here? Why wasnt he cut off and removed?
Posted by jorconalx
alexandria
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:48 am to
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reggielendale


So you are the cop in the video
Posted by LSUsmartass
Scompton
Member since Sep 2004
82744 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:51 am to
Wow, is that the son of the board member who passed?
Posted by reggielendale
Member since Jan 2006
1103 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:53 am to
He should have been. It probably was allowed because he was talking about his dead father. But he should have been. Just as this woman should have been and chambers was.
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