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re: Vatican: Pope Francis now in critical condition
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:06 pm to kywildcatfanone
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:06 pm to kywildcatfanone
Guess he's going to test Dante's circles of Hell for heretic popes.
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:11 pm to kywildcatfanone
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The whole idea that Peter put himself between man and Christ goes against his own life experiences.
Peter did no such thing.
Christ is the Son of David, the promised Messiah who was prophesied to bring back the Davidic Kingdom. In that kingdom, there was a chief steward who was the king's right hand man. He possessed the keys to the royal household and the city gates of Jerusalem, wearing them upon his person as a ceremonial decoration. When the king was away, the chief steward was in charge until the king returned. In the Book of Isaiah we see this is an office with successors.
That is all the pope is - the chief steward of the King of Kings until He returns to His earthly kingdom to judge the living and the dead.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:15 pm to athenslife101
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recent that the pope got the power he did. Certainly well into the Middle Ages.
Actually about 33 AD; search your bible for key phrases "keys to the kingdom" and "bind and loose".
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:16 pm to GreenRockTiger
You think the Pope gives two shits about you?
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:18 pm to Zephyrius
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Actually about 33 AD; search your bible for key phrases "keys to the kingdom" and "bind and loose".
Pretty sure he's talking about temporal power, baw.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:20 pm to HempHead
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Pretty sure he's talking about temporal power, baw.
The papacy began to gain temporal power when the Western Roman Empire began to fall in the fifth century. A massive power vacuum was left in the wake of its collapse and the Church was the only form of government left to prevent complete and total anarchy.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:28 pm to GreenRockTiger
So I was born and raised catholic went to catholic school went to church every Saturday ar Sunday.
I finally had enough when we had a family friends son molested. I handed in my catholic card.
The word is actually beautiful and some priest I've met or taught by were incredible people, but I can't get behind a religion that covers up child abuse.
I will not support any group, much less the one who is supposed to be my spiritual guide who has done the bad things the catholic church has done for hundreds of years.
I finally had enough when we had a family friends son molested. I handed in my catholic card.
The word is actually beautiful and some priest I've met or taught by were incredible people, but I can't get behind a religion that covers up child abuse.
I will not support any group, much less the one who is supposed to be my spiritual guide who has done the bad things the catholic church has done for hundreds of years.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:29 pm to RollTide1987
Pepin's donation, baw. The Papacy didn't have much besides the office and spiritual authority until it was gifted land by the proto-HRE.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:40 pm to HempHead
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Pepin's donation, baw.
You are completely skipping over the fact that Pepin was educated by the Church and was able to win the Carolingian crown mostly due to having the backing of Pope Zachary. He returned the favor by assisting the papacy in overcoming threats posed by the Lombards. It was only after Pope Stephen II declared it forbidden for any Frankish king to be elected from outside the line of Pepin that the now famous Donation occurred.
You don't make those kinds of declarations unless you already have a shite ton of temporal power.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:42 pm to RollTide1987
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You don't make those kinds of declarations unless you already have a shite ton of temporal power.
Or as a bid to gain/solidify it. Sometimes you back the right horse and it pays off.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:43 pm to WhiteMandingo
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So I was born and raised catholic went to catholic school went to church every Saturday ar Sunday.
I finally had enough when we had a family friends son molested. I handed in my catholic card..
I was raised catholic, confirmed and all that. However, I actually started studying the bible. Much of what I was taught sure isn't found in scripture. If you need to pray or confess, you do it straight to Christ. The idea I need a mediator in a priest for confession of sin is not biblical and is nonsensical. There is a heavy reliance on praying to saints and Mary which is also not in scripture. Thats just a start not to mention having Jesus hanging on a cross in all the imagery. He rose and doesn't hang on a tree any longer.
Any man appointed is done as God may see fit, but that is for a bigger picture that we cannot fathom.Too bad the dude is not going to make it, but he is nothing more than you and I in God's view. He made some atrocious policies while in power and I hope the next pope is a 180 from this guy.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:46 pm to BuckeyeWarrior
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The Pope is nothing more than a celebratory figure. He has nothing on the true King of Kings.
Joel Osteen?
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:49 pm to HempHead
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Or as a bid to gain/solidify it. Sometimes you back the right horse and it pays off.
The papacy already had temporal power in the 8th century; Pepin's Donation merely cemented it. Pope Leo the Great is routinely acknowledged by historians as the first true pontiff to exercise temporal power in the aftermath of the Western Roman Empire's collapse. He seized control of temporal power in Rome and its surrounding areas around the year AD 450 and was the official representative from the city of Rome to negotiate with both Attila the Hun and the Vandals, keeping both groups from sacking the city.
It was a slow rise to power for the Roman pontiffs from there, but by the year AD 800 they were THE power in western Europe thanks to men like Pepin and his son Charlemagne. However, the papacy started to become a major political force at the mid part of the fifth century.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:55 pm to rphtx
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The idea I need a mediator in a priest for confession of sin is not biblical
You might want to study the Gospel of John again:
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Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.”
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:59 pm to RollTide1987
Im praying for this pope. He has not been the most popular and some of his views appear to be on the socialist side.
As far as the Catholic faith, I love everything about it. The imagery, the prayers, the worship service. There have been and still are some evil people hiding behind the faith and they will be dealt with by their creator but it doesn’t change the beauty of the religion.
I was born and raised Catholic and see no reason to leave because people are changing. I often respond to criticisms from Christians of other religions that we are on the same side.
As far as the Catholic faith, I love everything about it. The imagery, the prayers, the worship service. There have been and still are some evil people hiding behind the faith and they will be dealt with by their creator but it doesn’t change the beauty of the religion.
I was born and raised Catholic and see no reason to leave because people are changing. I often respond to criticisms from Christians of other religions that we are on the same side.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 5:01 pm to rphtx
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Much of what I was taught sure isn't found in scripture. If you need to pray or confess, you do it straight to Christ. The idea I need a mediator in a priest for confession of sin is not biblical and is nonsensical.
Wrong, the apostles were given the power to forgive sins so obviously they are mediating between the sinner and God; an authority given by Jesus himself per the bible.
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 5:10 pm to rphtx
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Much of what I was taught sure isn't found in scripture.
And yet the first example you give...
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The idea I need a mediator in a priest for confession of sin is not biblical and is nonsensical.
...is.
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There is a heavy reliance on praying to saints and Mary which is also not in scripture.
As intercessors to Christ and God. No one prays to Mary or the Saints as if they are God. Plenty of examples in scripture about intercessory prayer.
I guess you've never asked someone to pray for you?
Posted on 2/22/25 at 5:11 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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That’s the problem, there are several Popes throughout history who are most definitely a POS, and the Catholic faith Idolizes them
Speaking of. Well first, I want to say I am a non practicing Catholic, but whats the deal with non Catholics things Catholics idolize everything. You hear people say "Catholics pray to statues". Its not praying to the actual statue, the statue is just a representation.
Catholics are generally smarter than other people..just joking.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 5:13 pm to Zephyrius
And who is giving the priests said power
Posted on 2/22/25 at 5:15 pm to Zephyrius
Also in James, and this has been going on since the early Church:
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Historically, penance has been celebrated in different forms. Early in Church history, it was common for it to be celebrated publicly, with Christ’s minister presiding over the service. Such public confession is envisioned in the exhortation, “Therefore confess your sins to one another” (James 5:16), which is done in the presence of “the elders of the church” (James 5:14)—the elders being the priests. In Greek, “elder” is presbuteros, from which we get the English word “priest.”
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And who is giving the priests said power
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“As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” Then he breathed on them, and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are for- given; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained” (John 20:21–23).
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