re: Vaccinated easily spreading Delta with troubling high viral loads...

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But we don’t know that do we? And does that hold true when you keep getting boosters every six months? Nor do we know what effect it will have on other systems or how it will
React to other illnesses and diseases. We think we know. That’s a pretty good reason to be hesitant if you’re under 70 and not among the most vulnerable

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What’s the long term effects of contracting covid, if you do survive it? That’s what I don’t understand with this argument. You’d rather take a chance on contracting a new virus over taking a heavily researched vaccine that’s proven effective at reducing infection rates and severe illness. It makes 0 sense.

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heavily researched vaccine

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It’s been heavily researched. But the results of that research hasn’t been terribly inspiring.

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They knew there would be breakthrough cases, hence wearing the mask after vaccinated. Which people flipped out about.

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Wait wut???? They told everyone initially no mask after vaccination until that wasnt true, are you didputing that??

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Fair enough. But there doesn’t appear to be any push or even willingness to push for alternatives or faster production of alternatives. We are singularly focused on vaccinations. Why?

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A couple of things about therapeutics and their availability. First, the therapeutics that have shown moderate efficacy at fighting the virus itself are relatively hard to produce in terms of time, it isn't like stamping out Oxy pills. Second, while Big Pharma is certainly capable of juggling multiple balls at a time they still have limited resources. These resources were primarily focused on vaccines because with high efficacy vaccines and a non-hesitant population that is the quickest road to turning the pandemic into an endemic issue. Few if any people accurately predicted the amount of vaccine hesitency that is now evident. 10-20% is foreseeable but 50% is much higher than most would have expected. Had we gotten to 80-90% even with breakthrough cases due to lack of sterilizing immunity in mucosal membranes the landscape would look much different, but that ship has apparently sailed as a result of poor messaging as anything else. (Note the difference between message and messaging)

Therapeutics with good pretrial positivity are in the works but they will take longer to be approved than the vaccines even with EUAs and expedited review simply because the trials will take longer to populate.

While I think they will receive the same level of hesitancy by the same groups a nasal vaccine COULD be a game-changer. A big reason for vaccinated people shedding is the sterilizing immunity is found in the blood (and 100% of people vaccinated may not have that). Since COVID is a mucosal vaccine the virus sets up shop in the mucosal membranes before it hits the blood so if your immunity is bloodborne it leaves a window for some to shed. The nasal vaccines should give mucosal immunity which in theory should lower the shedding by a huge amount.

Both overperforming (ie time) and underperforming (lack of 100% sterilizing immunity) the initial messaging have both contributed to hesitancy although they are by far not the only reasons. The issue with public health messaging is you will lose people unless you are 100% accurate from the beginning and new data never pops up that requires altering the stance. This is further complicated by the fact people need different approaches to messaging. Some people require a granular approach with every possible caveat laid out, some people need a simple 30,000-foot view or they think you are obfuscating. I see it all the time with my clients, some just want a simple big picture of a trial strategy and some need to have it explained at a level that takes hours switch the approach between the two and neither will be comfortable going forward.

Yay! Another covid thread!!!!!

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Wait wut???? They told everyone initially no mask after vaccination until that wasnt true, are you didputing that??

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Which would have been true (after that initial period to see if the vaccine efficacy held up in larger numbers). Problem is that people who didn't get vaxxed took their masks off as well. So vaxxed people are back to wearing masks to protect the unvaxxed and bring hospitalizations down.

Only thing I’ll say is it comes down to vaccine efficacy vs severe disease. Vaccination status and risk of severe disease are systematically higher in the older age group esp those 60-90+

A max of 6.2 severe cases per 100k for anyone under 40

But...go get that jab or you won't be able to do shite

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You might be missing the part where the vaccinated don’t die.

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So why are vaccinated nursing home residents being kept from seeing their vaccinated family members?

This shite has been going on since 3/11/2020
Goal posts keep getting moved

It doesn’t matter if everyone is vaccinated when they are still testing weekly & using asymptomatic positives to keep people apart

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A scholarly study and article from the University of Wisconsin and Scripps is fear propaganda????

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No, but your blathering as a result of not being capable of interpreting it is.