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re: Vaccinated easily spreading Delta with troubling high viral loads...
Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:09 pm to Jjdoc
Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:09 pm to Jjdoc
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The highest level of protection that has been presented are the people who have had covid and survived.
Not surprising since natural immunity is extremely variable from person to person. One person may get higher levels of protection than the vaccine and the next person much lower than the vaccine. The vaccine's advantage is it offers a more predictable level of immunity.
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Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:36 pm to Strannix
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So we have created a vaccine that turns subjects into asymptomatic carriers, great idea
So if everyone had the vaccine, we'd all be asymptomatic carriers? Sounds like an amazing idea, actually.
Antivaxxers are too stupid to understand that, though.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:39 pm to HammerJackFlash
quote:Jesus, you got further away from accurate.
It is still true those who aren’t vaccinated have .00002% of death. Much much greater chance of survival than those who are infected after vaccination.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:42 pm to fightin tigers
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It will mutate.
It's going to mutate.
Whether in the US or abroad.
I agree, yet we have healthcare professionals spreading the idea that Covid is now the fault of the unvaccinated.
See the post I was responding to that said:
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My dr’s concern is that as long as there is a large group of unvaxxed in the population the virus will just keep spreading and mutating.
His words were, “we may never get rid of the virus.”
It's looking like even with 100% vaccination this virus will live on and mutate. So let's just vaccinate the vulnerable and let the young and healthy decide for themselves.
Start promoting prevention and early treatment which should have been done from the beginning.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:42 pm to OneMoreTime
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What’s the long term effects of contracting covid, if you do survive it? That’s what I don’t understand with this argument. You’d rather take a chance on contracting a new virus over taking a heavily researched vaccine that’s proven effective at reducing infection rates and severe illness. It makes 0 sense.
For the vaccine hesitant who prefer a better understanding of long term risk, there are 2 choices:
1) If you take the vaccines, there is a 100% chance that you then have to be concerned with long term effects of the vaccine.
Or
2) If you don't take the vaccine, there are 2 other paths:
a) you may still never catch Covid - CDC data reflects almost 90% of the U.S. population has never tested positive for it after a year and 8 months of Covid being known to be in the US. If you contracted a virus and learned that 90% of the people who caught it died, would you not feel that death was a near certainty? So why would this 90% think it wrong that their lifestyle might still continue to produce the same result? Maybe they were asymptomatic and never knew it. If that's the case, they may have natural immunity.
b) maybe the unvaccinated will eventually catch covid. If that happens, we know 99.x % survive and develop natural immunity. When we know 42% of our population are obese, we know even the obese are like!y to survive at an exceedingly high rate and have natural immunity.
So why not go with a chance of catching a weaker, more contagious variant to develop natural immunity without the 100% chance of then being concerned about the unknown long term effects of the vaccine?
Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:43 pm to Evolved Simian
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So if everyone had the vaccine, we'd all be asymptomatic carriers? Sounds like an amazing idea, actually.
You going to vaccinate all the animals too?
Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:44 pm to Antonio Moss
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Was an autopsy performed that pinpointed cause of death? Because two people dying after getting a vaccine doesn’t mean the vaccine killed them.
Yes indeed for the second one. He passed out fishing, and drown in the lake. Inflammation of the brain caused a seizure
The other was his mom. No autopsy, but died a week earlier from myocarditis and peiocarditis. 2 weeks after her 2nd dose
Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:47 pm to idsrdum
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yet we have healthcare professionals spreading the idea that Covid is now the fault of the unvaccinated.
The overrun of hospitals likely wouldn't be happening if everyone was vaccinated. Which is what they are really going on about.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:48 pm to BluegrassBelle
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the virus mutated into a variant causing breakthrough cases that became dominant here from March to July? You’re being disingenuous.
Wow
There are 3 wild virus polio strains, too. But guess what? They dont break through the virus protections
Quit just being a parrot. Do some damn research. Your life is actually at stake here
Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:51 pm to RobbBobb
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But guess what? They dont break through the virus protections
polio outbreak that defeated vaccine
Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:51 pm to Jjdoc
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The highest level of protection that has been presented are the people who have had covid and survived.
I chose to get the Pfizer vaccine because, even though I’m healthy and in good shape, I’m over 60 and wanted that extra level of protection. I did not want to take my chances getting Covid and surviving. I, in no way, regret getting the shots nor afraid of any side effects. If others think I’m crazy for getting it, that’s their problem and not mine as they are not responsible for me or my health.
This post was edited on 8/21/21 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:57 pm to HammerJackFlash
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I’m not ignoring it, I’m highlighting it.
It is still true those who aren’t vaccinated have .00002% of death. Much much greater chance of survival than those who are infected after vaccination.
You people are literally wrong about everything.
Jesus Christ, you aren't fit to make my damn french fries.
This post was edited on 8/21/21 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 8/21/21 at 1:08 pm to fightin tigers
ummm
The other half didnt remember. So there is some doubt that IN THE CONGO, 200 kids did remeber, and probably did not, nor have documentation for all 3 vaccines. Because they couldnt eat in N.O. without proof, right?
But of course, you have your agenda. Carry on
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Congo
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Also important was the fact that many of those affected had apparently been vaccinated
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half of the patients remembered having received the prescribed three vaccination dosages.
The other half didnt remember. So there is some doubt that IN THE CONGO, 200 kids did remeber, and probably did not, nor have documentation for all 3 vaccines. Because they couldnt eat in N.O. without proof, right?
But of course, you have your agenda. Carry on
Posted on 8/21/21 at 1:10 pm to RobbBobb
Mother fricker. They spelled it out in the study as to why it defeated the vaccine.
They didn't take anyone's word for it they brought it into a lab and saw what happened. There is no doubt it beat the antibodies the vaccine made.
They didn't take anyone's word for it they brought it into a lab and saw what happened. There is no doubt it beat the antibodies the vaccine made.
This post was edited on 8/21/21 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 8/21/21 at 1:28 pm to Evolved Simian
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So if everyone had the vaccine, we'd all be asymptomatic carriers? Sounds like an amazing idea, actually.
What if this comes into play?
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Vaccine-enhanced disease
Available data do not indicate a risk of vaccine-enhanced disease, and conversely suggest
effectiveness against severe disease within the available follow-up period. However, risk of
vaccine-enhanced disease over time, potentially associated with waning immunity, remains
unknown and needs to be evaluated further in ongoing clinical trials and in observational studies
that could be conducted following authorization and/or licensure.
This is in both the Moderna and Pfizer FDA briefing document, not sure about the J&J. It seems like something they were worried about.
Has anyone seen further observational studies on this? Since we are in the period of waning immunity right now, perhaps they are still gathering data.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 1:39 pm to fightin tigers
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Instead the good have to suffer for the bad, as is life.
Hypothetically, what if we find five years from now that the vaccine awakens one of the millions of viruses already in every human’s body and causes sterility or some fatal form of cancer, would you then feel that we should have not pushed so hard for young, perfectly healthy people to take it, even calling them bad for not doing so?
Posted on 8/21/21 at 1:44 pm to LSUtoBOOT
I don't think we should call anyone bad for not taking it. Think we should continue to educate everyone and try to quell their fears.
If that happened though, yes it would be a huge dark moment for humanity that would be regretted.
Equally hypothetical situation. If we find out in 5 years that the early versions of the vaccine cured all cancers ever known and bestowed a unicorn upon each recipient would you regret having not taken the early versions?
If that happened though, yes it would be a huge dark moment for humanity that would be regretted.
Equally hypothetical situation. If we find out in 5 years that the early versions of the vaccine cured all cancers ever known and bestowed a unicorn upon each recipient would you regret having not taken the early versions?
Posted on 8/21/21 at 1:51 pm to Strannix
I got the shot so I could go out and do what ever the frick I wanted. They said if I took it everything would get back to Normal faster than if we didn't. Now, It almost sounds like, if you got jabbed, you fricked up and they want you to stay home, because now you are a one man super spreader. 
Posted on 8/21/21 at 1:53 pm to fightin tigers
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Equally hypothetical situation. If we find out in 5 years that the early versions of the vaccine cured all cancers ever known and bestowed a unicorn upon each recipient would you regret having not taken the early versions?
What makes you assume I didn’t, maybe you are unvaccinated and just trying to get everyone else to get it so you’ll feel safe. See, you can ride your unicorn anytime you want, and I won’t judge you, that’s freedom. And as a reminder, you did say that people that didn’t get the vaccine were bad, so stand your ground, you have a lot of company in this country at the moment.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 1:57 pm to JudgeHolden
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You might be missing the part where the vaccinated don’t die.
There isn't enough "DELTA" variant data to know if it is the vaccine or the variant. Think critically about what the media and government are feeding you.
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