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re: Utah surgeon, others accused of destroying vaccines, giving fake shots to children

Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:40 pm to
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87385 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:40 pm to
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Yes, on principle, but the problem is that they were charging parents $50 per card. If their motives were pure, they would not have charged the parents anything.



Fair enough, although it doesn't seem very lucrative considering the risk.

But yeah, if I was doing that out of conscience, I would probably decline to charge anything just so it was apparent when I got caught why I was doing it.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87385 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:42 pm to
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Not at all. I saw the virus wasn’t a threat, and feel nervous about vaccines in general. I have zero data or factual basis for feeling so, just so

I am always anxious days after every vaccine they have ever gotten. This one being new was too much.

I am fine admitting that, and don’t need to crutch some reasoning to try and support my decision


So you're agreeing? I mean, I agree with your take here. But it seems you're trying to distinguish from what I'm alleging.

If you don't think the virus is a threat and you get nervous about little kids getting vaccines, then surely you agree you're at odds with medical authorities in this country saying the virus is such a threat to toddlers that the vaccine is the most important thing you can do for them right now?
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111525 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:45 pm to
I disagree with hyperbolic messaging to try and convince someone, absolutely

Which is why I called out medical professionals who did such. You can look up my opinion on Dr. O’Oneal and her messaging of “get vaxxed or die” if you’d like

Just like I call out people with this vaccine that do the same with hyperbolic negative accounts to support themselves
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 4:47 pm
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37083 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:46 pm to
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Do you not trust them though

I thought I was pretty clear when I said I don’t trust them in regards to Covid. Do you think the government is this singular entity that has been the same for the 200+ years that this country has existed? As I said previously there is enough nuance where I can trust them in regards to certain things, and not trust them in regards to others. I’m not an NPC, which is what you are inferring that one has to be. “If you don’t trust them about this, then you can trust them about anything”. That’s a very simple perspective.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111525 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:48 pm to
I m not talking about government, I am talking about the medical community at large. That seems difficult to remain unbiased when using selective trust
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37083 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:54 pm to
Everyone is going to have their own biases.

If the medical community told everyone that we had to get the MMR vaccine and it would stop the spread of MMR, and then everyone I know still got MMR I would think they were full of shite on that front too.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111525 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:56 pm to
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If the medical community told everyone that we had to get the MMR vaccine and it would stop the spread of MMR, and then everyone I know still got MMR I would think they were full of shite on that front too.
I mean a shite ton of vaccinated kids n California are in fact getting measles

And alot of vaccinated people still get the flu
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 4:57 pm
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37083 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:58 pm to
I don’t get the flu shot either
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138934 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:58 pm to
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It's falsifying medical records. Which is a crime. If I falsified medical records as a licensed therapist I would receive disciplinary action from my board, would likely lose my license, and could be charged with insurance fraud (if it's not a private pay client). They could just refuse to administer the vaccine.

Be disobedient to the system that's crushing you but don't break the law in doing so.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:00 pm to
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If the medical community told everyone that we had to get the MMR vaccine and it would stop the spread of MMR, and then everyone I know still got MMR I would think they were full of shite on that front too.



I don't even know how to respond to this.
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
Member since Nov 2012
52308 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:02 pm to
every single doctor should go to jail.

this is fricked up beyond imagination.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138934 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:03 pm to
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every single doctor should go to jail.

this is fricked up beyond imagination.
Why?
Posted by Lokistale
Member since Aug 2013
1344 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:04 pm to
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I mean a shite ton of vaccinated kids n California are in fact getting measles


On come on... because the MMR are given at 1 year old and again at 4 years old. Thus, fully vaccinated kids <1 yo can still the measles from idiot parents that choose not to vaccinate their >1 year old kids causing herd immunity to wane and the measles break through to the younger kids.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111525 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:05 pm to
It’s kids in school, not just kids less than 1

A Disneyland outbreak alone had 6 fully vaccinated kids get measles

3-10% of vaccinated children will still get measles if exposed to it. So called “vaccine”
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 5:08 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:09 pm to
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On come on... because the MMR are given at 1 year old and again at 4 years old. Thus, fully vaccinated kids <1 yo can still the measles from idiot parents that choose not to vaccinate their >1 year old kids causing herd immunity to wane and the measles break through to the younger kids.



The vaccination strategy in question cannot be separated from the morphological characteristics of the pathogen. Measles is one of the most infectious diseases known to man, and you need vaccination rates upwards of 95% to keep it from regaining latency in a population. With a consistent vaccination program, you could conceivably eradicate measles worldwide.
Posted by Lokistale
Member since Aug 2013
1344 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:13 pm to
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If the medical community told everyone that we had to get the MMR vaccine and it would stop the spread of MMR


We don't have to tell people that the MMR works... you can actually see how well and effective the vaccine is by looking at the measle cases before and after the vaccine.



You can also how ineffective the COVID vaccines are by looking at the # COVID cases before and after the vaccine

LINK No marked decline of COVID cases since 2021, the number of COVID cases are increasing since 2021.
Posted by FCP
Delta State Univ. - Fightin' Okra
Member since Sep 2010
5173 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:17 pm to
Clearly they broke the law. I guess you can argue the morality of their actions (jury nullification), but they destroyed government property, falsified medical records, and apparently profited $97K. That's about as straightforward of a case as the prosecution will ever get.

My intrigue is with how third party claims are affected by their actions--with something like employment or school requiring proof of vaccine. Could a third party claim some kind of tortious interference or other detrimental reliance on the basis of forged medical records?

Not to get too far down the rabbit trail, but what about criminal liability for the patients who knowingly bought and used false/fraudulent/forged medical records? Again, jury nullification and all, but if I presented my employer with a false notice of a family member's death (to claim PTO), they would absolutely fire me if it were discovered.

Real world example: I work for a company that mandated the vaccine. I'm in a department that is being downsized right now. From 20 positions down to 18. I'm not affected due to seniority, but I know a couple of the folks ahead of me (more seniority) who filed fake vaccine cards. Would a "junior" member of our team who gets downsized be able to assert an unjust enrichment claim against those "senior" employees who would have otherwise been fired without a forged vaccine card? If two senior guys had been fired, the department would already be downsized, and the junior folks would get to retain their slots.

TLDR: Gordon finna eat. NIL deals for erbody!
Posted by AbitaFan08
Boston, MA
Member since Apr 2008
27902 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:17 pm to
I love this place.

Doctor lies to patients and is a hero because politics tells me!

I don’t care what your belief is when it comes to the covid vaccine, it’s irrelevant. A doctor told a patient they would be given X, which was consented to, and lied to them.

He should be not only stripped of his license but put in prison.
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
4313 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:21 pm to
quote:

quote:
every single doctor should go to jail.

this is fricked up beyond imagination.

Why?

Because the limitations on his intelligence has led him to believe he's smarter than "every single" doctor.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
61834 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:22 pm to
Saving kids from blood clots one fake vaccine at a time. Give them a medal.

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