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re: Utah surgeon, others accused of destroying vaccines, giving fake shots to children
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:49 pm to upgrayedd
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:49 pm to upgrayedd
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Like lying to billions of people about the efficacy of an experimental vaccine with known side-effects?
I know this is advanced, but two different wrong things are still wrong things. You guys keep thinking this moral equivalence makes some kind of difference, but it doesn't. Again, two wrong things are both wrong things.
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:56 pm to crazy4lsu
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I know this is advanced, but two different wrong things are still wrong things. You guys keep thinking this moral equivalence makes some kind of difference, but it doesn't. Again, two wrong things are both wrong things.
You can be your usual smug little prick self, but if you don't see how a parent doing what they think is best for their child supercedes the same "medical ethics" that were completely ignored to implement this draconian mandate, then I don't know what to tell you.
None of this would be happening if medical ethics were in place and working and your solution is to accept that unethical system but shake your finger at it.
Sorry, this is reasonable for a parent who cares about their child. And literally no one was harmed by this doctor's action.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:56 pm to beauxgy
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Heros
Criminals....and dumb, like most criminals.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:59 pm to crazy4lsu
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You can't violate a child's autonomy on behalf of a parent, especially if the parent is asking you to do something unethical and especially as part of your own money-making scheme. That is insane and I'm going to always say it is insane.
one can only assume you feel the same way about gender altering procedures/medication. right?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:00 pm to upgrayedd
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You can be your usual smug little prick self, but if you don't see how a parent doing what they think is best for their child supercedes the same "medical ethics" that were completely ignored to implement this draconian mandate, then I don't know what to tell you.
It is easy to be smug when morons make extremely bad arguments. You cannot violate a child's autonomy on behalf of the guardian. That is the long and short of it. Get a better argument.
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None of this would be happening if medical ethics were in place and working and your solution is to accept that unethical system but shake your finger at it.
You don't know my solution.
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Sorry, this is reasonable for a parent who cares about their child. And literally no one was harmed by this doctor's action.
You can legally refuse a vaccine. That is within your rights as a patient. But defending a vaccination card for money scheme is idiotic, especially if you want to say that specific entities made money off COVID. It is very easy to say that both are wrong, because they are.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:02 pm to Klark Kent
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one can only assume you feel the same way about gender altering procedures/medication. right?
Do you know the process for getting those medications and treatments? In my own personal experience, not something fed to me by the media, the requirements were extremely rigorous.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:02 pm to upgrayedd
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draconian mandate
Does Utah have a vaccine mandate for children?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:06 pm to crazy4lsu
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It is easy to be smug when morons make extremely bad arguments. You cannot violate a child's autonomy on behalf of the guardian. That is the long and short of it. Get a better argument.
They were simply not giving the child an injection. They also can't give the injection without the consent of the parent. If the child refuses to take the injection, are doctors obliged to still give it to them if the parent wants them to have it?
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You don't know my solution.
Its obvious you don't want people defying the system
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You can legally refuse a vaccine. That is within your rights as a patient. But defending a vaccination card for money scheme is idiotic, especially if you want to say that specific entities made money off COVID. It is very easy to say that both are wrong, because they are.
I have zero issues with defending these practices given what governments were doing to people
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:15 pm to upgrayedd
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They were simply not giving the child an injection. They also can't give the injection without the consent of the parent. If the child refuses to take the injection, are doctors obliged to still give it to them if the parent wants them to have it?
They were giving saline injections, no? You can give vaccinations to 'mature minors' depending on the state without consent from the parents.
The latter is a very good ethical scenario that I'm actually going to write out and submit as a exam question.
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Its obvious you don't want people defying the system
I'd love it if at the very least we could stop putting research behind paywalls that institutions have to buy from databases and I would love it if the NIH would stop allowing the privatization of publicly funded research once that research has produced potential profit-making results. The former might happen in 2026 and the latter would take a revolution to happen, and I'm still not sure it would.
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I have zero issues with defending these practices given what governments were doing to people
Yeah, that's a no from me. It's very easy to say both things are wrong, because it is very clear that these people weren't really doing this out of principle, but for monetary reasons. If they were so principled, one would think they would have done this free of charge.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:17 pm to AbitaFan08
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I don’t care what your belief is when it comes to the covid vaccine, it’s irrelevant. A doctor told a patient they would be given X, which was consented to, and lied to them.
Tell me you didn’t read the article without telling me that you didn’t read the article
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:26 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Talk about a slippery slope.
You're the same person who said this in reference to lockdowns.
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100% guarantee people would’ve lost their shite if she did. And probably some business about MUH RIGHTS.
LINK
I don't think you have a lot of room to talk about slippery slopes.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:29 pm to GumboPot
Heroes
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:29 pm to GumboPot
They’re heroes for saving those kids lives despite the kids parents stupidity
What did people expect to happen when people’s way of life was being threatened by their bosses or govt to get the jab or else? Of course there would be fake cards
What did people expect to happen when people’s way of life was being threatened by their bosses or govt to get the jab or else? Of course there would be fake cards
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:34 pm to JoeHackett
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You're the same person who said this in reference to lockdowns.
Three years ago. Congrats. Surely it's not that we can change our minds when presented with appropriate information.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:40 pm to beauxgy
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Heroes
Is the only correct answer
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:41 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Three years ago. Congrats. Surely it's not that we can change our minds when presented with appropriate information.
You needed appropriate information to determine that forcibly closing people's businesses was wrong?
What information could that possibly have been?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 6:56 pm to JoeHackett
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You needed appropriate information to determine that forcibly closing people's businesses was wrong?
What information could that possibly have been?
That was very, very early on in COVID-19. Before any kind of real treatment protocols for it either.
But again, by all means keep trying to play "gotcha" with some revisionist history there bud.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:31 pm to BluegrassBelle
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That was very, very early on in COVID-19. Before any kind of real treatment protocols for it either.
That doesn't make sense. Now that you know about treatment protocols, you've come to believe that people's rights were in fact being violated by the lockdowns? You're apologizing for mocking people who were being financially ruined because it was early in 2020?
I'll be honest with you. In that link my post is right after yours. Your "Muh Rights" comment has always bothered me. I have too good of a memory sometimes. I've disliked you ever since. That's my fault, if you no longer believe that then I'll believe you and drop it.
The slippery slope comment instantly reminded me of that. I can think of few worse slippery slopes than the government claiming the right to forcibly close businesses for any reason.
Anyway, this is ruining my 1 post a week average. My apologies for being unfair and holding a grudge.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:47 pm to beauxgy
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Heroes
Yep. And Trump should promise them the Medal of Freedom if he wins. As soon as he catches up and admits that the Vax was an ugly ploy. And that he got duped and manhandled. Better now than later.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:52 pm to GumboPot
Saved lots of lives
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