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re: Utah has passed what I believe is a great law: fathers must pay 50% of pregnancy costs

Posted on 4/6/21 at 7:10 am to
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
102783 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 7:10 am to
Fine with it but when do we get laws where men get treated equally in cases of divorce and in child custody? Because women overwhelmingly get to frick men over in that area
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
102783 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 7:13 am to
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Yet women can murder the child without impunity even if the father will raise it at his own cost 100%.


Yea I think it’s only fair to require the father to sign off on abortion as well
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 7:14 am to
When all the old useless judges adhering to chivalry die off and women get the equality they demanded from the young men in the legal system who grew up watching their mothers screw over the system.
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 7:15 am to
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men will be pressuring women to get abortions or beating the shite out of them to abort the fetus themselves

Somebody's been watching too much Lifetime.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 7:29 am to
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A) will make men way more responsible regarding their seed spilling

Bitch, please.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 7:29 am to
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Somebody's been watching too much Lifetime.


Nah. I just think we don’t need more policy to correct for bad policy. That’s the progressives way. Stop sending checks to single mothers and they will stop fricking everything that moves. All they have to do is take a pill a day and they won’t get pregnant. It’s easier than ever. There are no excuses to have 6 kids from 6 different fathers, and no income.

A similar situation is student debt. Government intervention and guaranteed payment has resulted in everyone getting whatever student loan they want, even those paying 50k a year for an art degree. That drives prices up. Now the liberals say we need more laws and policies to fix education.... NO, just stop screwing it up and the system will auto correct.
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 7:31 am
Posted by LSUFreek
Greater New Orleans
Member since Jan 2007
16312 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 7:40 am to
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Louisiana and all other states need this morally righteous law


Whenever the subject has came up over prices rising or just not having income, I have heard countless times from single urban mothers, "I need to have another kid. I need that government check".

Many are actively looking for un-wed seed spilling/pregnancy. Now, they get a 50% discount/incentive to continue their immorality and siphon 18 more years of tax-payer funding.
Posted by LSU Delts
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2007
2624 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 7:40 am to
Hopefully they use DNA to confirm the father and not just go on someone’s word before payout begins.
Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7916 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 8:37 am to
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Nah. I just think we don’t need more policy to correct for bad policy. That’s the progressives way. Stop sending checks to single mothers and they will stop fricking everything that moves. All they have to do is take a pill a day and they won’t get pregnant. It’s easier than ever. There are no excuses to have 6 kids from 6 different fathers, and no income.


Better solution Vasectomy is reversible and cheaper over the long run. It's not even considered surgery. It's easier than even getting a prescription refilled for a pill. Let's just require all men to get a vasectomy until proper paperwork is filled out to prove you are consensually having a child with a willing partner.

There is no excuse to have 6 kids from 6 different mothers and no income.
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 8:40 am to
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Hopefully they use DNA to confirm the father and not just go on someone’s word before payout begins.

Are you suggesting a woman would lie or make up who the father was? Sounds like misogyny to me.
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Let's just require all men to get a vasectomy until proper paperwork is filled out to prove you are consensually having a child with a willing partner.

Yes. We're going to control who gets to breed and who doesn't. This will surely be done in a reasonable way to promote the protection of all involved and not to drive government directed genocide.
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 8:42 am
Posted by crash1211
Houma
Member since May 2008
3721 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 8:51 am to
My question is what if she decides to terminate the pregnancy, and he is against it. Will they try to make him pay for 1/2 of the abortion? That sounds like a first Amendment case to me. What exactly are they calling pregnancy costs?
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 9:49 am
Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7916 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 8:53 am to
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Yes. We're going to control who gets to breed and who doesn't. This will surely be done in a reasonable way to promote the protection of all involved and not to drive government directed genocide.


Good then you agree that is just an asinine of a suggestion as the logic that it's the women's fault completely for not taking a birth control as was suggested by the poster i was replying to.

Unplanned births are going to happen no matter what we do legislating what males or females have to do to stop them is absolutely crazy concept.

If money is the issue as Utah seems to think it is make prenatal care, pregnancy charges, and child care costs free. But nah we need money to build that fighter jet we will never use that will rot in a boneyard because military something something.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70047 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 8:55 am to
are women required to pay half if they have a man who isn't a POS? equality and all
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 8:59 am to
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Good then you agree that is just an asinine of a suggestion as the logic that it's the women's fault completely for not taking a birth control as was suggested by the poster i was replying to.

You're really good at making false comparisons. Did you take classes?

Government telling which men who can breed is in no way related to women taking responsibility for screwing random men and constantly popping up pregnant demanding child support.

Men are already on the hook for child support to the extreme. If women are going to demand their right to slaughter their children with no input from men, it seems unreasonable to demand men pay for the delivery if they decide to keep it.

No one is buying the virtuous single mom trope anymore. Sorry.
Posted by Sooner5030
Desert Southwest
Member since Sep 2014
1740 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 9:13 am to
Why involve the government in family law more than it already is?

Unintended consequences happen every single time you control freaks try to come up with some form of government intervention.

get out of people's lives.....results will improve when you do.

Posted by ThisIsTheWay
Member since Mar 2021
110 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 9:17 am to
what a retarded law
Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7916 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 9:18 am to
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Government telling which men who can breed is in no way related to women taking responsibility for screwing random men


So in your mind it's okay to tell women to take responsibility for "screwing random men" as you put it, but not telling men to take responsibility for screwing random women? I know just as many men with multiple children from different mothers as vice versa. As far as being on the hook for child support to the extreme. What is the extreme to you. Expecting you to support a child you created is extreme?

So in your scenario where men have a say in the abortion. What if the doctor tells a woman the pregnancy will kill her. Do men get to say nope I have a say she has to risk it because I want the kid. Is he on the hook when she dies from the pregnancy. Easy to stand on your soapbox and talk about the perfect solutions when you get to ignore the consequences.

400,000 kids in foster care this number has been steady for 30 years. This isn't a female or a male problem this is a people problem and putting all the burden on whichever sex you think is more responsible is absolutely the wrong avenue to take.
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 9:25 am to
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So in your mind it's okay to tell women to take responsibility for "screwing random men" as you put it, but not telling men to take responsibility for screwing random women?

Guess you missed the part about men being on the hook for child support?
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I know just as many men with multiple children from different mothers as vice versa.

Your problem pretty clearly isn't that men do it. You just think women should be allowed to do it, too. Except you despise men. Stop moralizing and just admit it.

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So in your scenario where men have a say in the abortion. What if the doctor tells a woman the pregnancy will kill her. Do men get to say nope I have a say she has to risk it because I want the kid.

Thanks for proving my point. You think women are allowed to do whatever they want and have all the say, because "My body, my choice" but men should foot the bill for her body.

Less than 3% of abortions are done for the health and safety of the woman. I'd bet much less. Keep whipping that strawman.
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This isn't a female or a male problem this is a people problem

But mostly it's a woman problem that we pretend to fix by punishing men. It wasn't men who destigmatized bastard children, it was feminism.

Thanks for playing.
Posted by TaderSalad
mudbug territory
Member since Jul 2014
26446 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 9:29 am to
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A) will make men way more responsible regarding their seed spilling




You're not much of a drinker are you
Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7916 posts
Posted on 4/6/21 at 9:32 am to
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But mostly it's a woman problem that we pretend to fix by punishing men.


LOL making men pay child support is "punishment" sorry you are a shitty father

as you said thanks for playing
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