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re: U.S. poised to forgive $108 billion in student debt

Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:06 pm to
Posted by wallowinit
Louisiana
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:06 pm to
What about the people who worked their way through college and paid for it along the way or the parents who sacrificed and saved to send their kid(s) to college?

What do they get?

They get to pay for the forgiven student loan debt that's what.

That is so very fricked-up.
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:07 pm to
So I should've taken out student loans instead of paying cash? Well I'm an idiot
Posted by Steadyhands
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:08 pm to
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How do you calculate that? Ultimately someone somewhere sets a formula for determining how each degree's limits are set.


Calculate it based on job outlook and demand. There is a higher risk associated with some degrees versus others. When you fill out a loan application you have to specify your major and your anticipated graduation date, so adding those statistics in with current/future demands in the job outlook... It's not rocket science. The way they give the money out now just assumes everyone is going to get a great paying job in their chosen field. Since this method is failing and leading to government burden, lets go ahead an continue with it. It's not like we have any other deficit.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:09 pm to
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What about the people who worked their way through college and paid for it along the way or the parents who sacrificed and saved to send their kid(s) to college?

What do they get?



I'm willing to bet if you have the motivation, drive, and talent to work your way through school and balance the rest of life, or you're a good enough parent to save and help send your child to school your OK with being a self sufficient responsible productive member of society and your reward is that you and your family don't need constant government handouts.
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:14 pm to
If someone shows up and wants to hand me $20k, I'm not turning it down. I learned that in college
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:15 pm to
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2. Paying for some retard to get a degree in art history or gender studies is not an investment


can you give the number of people seeking those degrees compared to the acceptable ones?
Posted by Steadyhands
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:16 pm to
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And that there are pros and cons to it (mostly pros, in the long-term, in my view), but you're not thinking this completely through.


Well, my idea may not be the best, but I've not seen any others offered on here. All you see is people saying..."paid my debt" or "damn millennials, blah blah" Those are awesome additions to the conversation.

This system doesn't work and I'm just curious what others think we should do. Saying, pay your debt, or don't assume so much risk isn't a solution. Some people probably don't give a rats arse about paying their debt back. Others are simply using the system that was created. You're a damn smart individual if you manage to get most of your debt forgiven by using the system as it was designed. People blame the users though when the problem is the system.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:16 pm to
ITT people fail to understand PSLF.
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:16 pm to
Probably about 1/2-1/3rd of the students in college
Posted by TheOcean
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:19 pm to
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:22 pm to
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Probably about 1/2-1/3rd of the students in college




You're estimate is that about half of all college students in America are working towards a degree in art or gender studies?
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:24 pm to
Pslf won't start forgiveness of loans for a few years. Its a 10year program and stared a few years ago.

It is tax less for the beneficiaries, yeah.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:25 pm to
So many comments about how they should have just taken loans even though they would never qualify for PSLF.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:28 pm to
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Calculate it based on job outlook and demand. There is a higher risk associated with some degrees versus others.


Underwriting is more an art than a science in every event. Each entity that does this type of calculation picks and chooses which statistic to use and how to weight them. My point is that the government should not be given the discretion to do this type of calculation.

The idea is to shrink the role of government in education and in citizen's lives, not give them a way to manipulate them into choosing how to educate themselves.

Also what happens with mid-college career changed?
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:36 pm to
*pleaselordjesuspickme*
Posted by Steadyhands
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Member since May 2016
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:37 pm to
quote:

The idea is to shrink the role of government in education and in citizen's lives, not give them a way to manipulate them into choosing how to educate themselves.


So make it private with some regulations so that loan interest is done like it is now...deferrable, lower rates, etc.

quote:

Also what happens with mid-college career changed?


Well, you've either increased or decreased risk, so your overall value goes up/down. Unfortunately for you its like now trading in a vehicle that you're upside down in...so hopefully you've chosen a degree that increases your value.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
71881 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:39 pm to
Yea I mean, in pushing 30

I don't feel like a millennial

I do like bonnaroo, tho
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15388 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:41 pm to
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But don't borrowers have to pay tax on the forgiven portion of the loan? So, it isn't truly "forgiven" entirely.


This depends. If we are discussing the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program which is set to mature soon, the forgiven portion is not taxed.

I am not certain about other programs.
Posted by ManBearTiger
BRLA
Member since Jun 2007
22299 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:43 pm to
Please tell me the only people who will be considered for forgiveness are those who have been making their payments. Please
Posted by oauron
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2011
14581 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 1:45 pm to
The goal of a public university is to educate and develop its populace. It is not and should not be a factory to produce only high income earning jobs after school. it's part of a non-profit service to the people of the state first.
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