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re: US Navy's new destroyer is impressive
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:35 pm to Clyde Tipton
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:35 pm to Clyde Tipton
Looks tippy
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:35 pm to Darth_Vader
Hey,
what's with the upturned deck on that Chinese flattop?
what's with the upturned deck on that Chinese flattop?
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:35 pm to terd ferguson
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Probably nuke EM's and ET's followed closely by Sonar Techs. The nuke mechanics were usually pretty "normal". By normal I mean they'd be more likely to get an eyeball tattooed on their dick (true story) than to play Magic the Gathering or some shite like that.
Concur with Nuke ET's...they also typically had the UGLIEST damn wives

Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:37 pm to retired trucker
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what's with the upturned deck on that Chinese flattop?
Some dumbass probably ran into something, you know those fools can't drive worth a shite.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:39 pm to retired trucker
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what's with the upturned deck on that Chinese flattop?
Ski Jumps are used on non-nuclear powered carriers. Conventionally powered ships cannot produce enough steam to efficiently operate the catapults. The new magneto catapults might change the game in that regard soon
Ski jumps require longer take off distances and thus lower the amount of sorties you can fly per day as you cannot launch/recover aircraft at the same time as efficiently
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:55 pm to Darth_Vader
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Yes, that's the Liaoning.
That's one goofy looking ship.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 4:05 pm to Tigeralum2008
Excellent. I find the submarine life peculiar and fascinating. I'm sure I don't have the temperament necessary to cope with the stresses that inevitably come with the life below. 

Posted on 4/12/16 at 4:08 pm to Tigeralum2008
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Ski Jumps are used on non-nuclear powered carriers. Conventionally powered ships cannot produce enough steam to efficiently operate the catapults. The new magneto catapults might change the game in that regard soon
Ski jumps require longer take off distances and thus lower the amount of sorties you can fly per day as you cannot launch/recover aircraft at the same time as efficiently
You beat me to it. A lot carriers use this configuration as a cheaper alternative to catapults...
UK


India



Spain

Italy

Thailand (Yes, Thailand has a carrier)

There's more carriers with ramps nowadays than without.
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 4/12/16 at 4:08 pm to PhilipMarlowe
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the stresses that inevitably come with the life below.
It's not gay it you're under way.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 4:10 pm to Darth_Vader
The ramps actually look pretty good
Posted on 4/12/16 at 4:10 pm to Clyde Tipton
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I'm all about being a patriot, but that shite looks stupid.
It's the only ship that can power a rail gun and will be on the LBJ in 2018.

This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 4/12/16 at 4:40 pm to Darth_Vader
Thailand is really working hard using a ski jump AND a VTOL Harrier.
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 4/12/16 at 4:56 pm to Scoop
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Thailand is really working hard using a ski jump AND a VTOL Harrier.
I believe it uses far less fuel to take off conventionally than vertically. I imagine their Harriers take off this way most of the time.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 5:27 pm to Darth_Vader
The final views of my old ship USS LaSalle AGF-3 during Sink EX 2007.
LINK
The Great White Ghost of the Arabian Coast, AKA The Great White Whore of the Arabian Shore.

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The Great White Ghost of the Arabian Coast, AKA The Great White Whore of the Arabian Shore.

Posted on 4/12/16 at 5:47 pm to Darth_Vader
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Do you know how strategically vital those seas are?
Oh yeah...
...I guess I don't worry very much about Chinese battle groups.
It takes more to fly jets off a carrier then building a few...the qualitative edge just based off our experience alone will mean the Chinese and any other wanna be naval power is going to be long long behind us.
If I was an admiral I'd be a lot more worried about land based threats then their navy.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 7:20 pm to Darth_Vader
Navy has already cancelled this ship program due to its extremely high cost for a ship that basically provides support for carriers. Regular destroyers can do the same job and will be built for a fraction of the cost.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 7:24 pm to Tigertracks
Navy needs to realize that when you write ridiculous specs, you get ridiculous price tags.
The whole procurement process for government contracts breeds astronomical costs for otherwise standard commercial shite.
The whole procurement process for government contracts breeds astronomical costs for otherwise standard commercial shite.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 7:35 pm to asurob1
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Yeah, not more then a regional threat...at most
Exactly. But you know the difference between those two and the US? We're in every single region. We can't afford to bring all of our military might to bear in one region because they're needed elsewhere.
Imagine a war in the South China Sea scenario. Will we have great fleet v fleet carrier v carrier battles like in WW2 against China? Of course not. And if there were we'd slaughter the Chinese. Are China's pieces of X equipment as good as American counterparts? Almost certainly not. But they have a lot of aircraft and a lot of missiles stationed on the mainland that can reach out to the South China Sea...and they are upgrading these things all the time.
You're right. China isn't close to matching our spending nor will they be able to project power like we can. But all of China's military in a war right next to their mainland against only a fraction of the US military (even if it is a significant fraction) is a worrisome though. Even if we won such a war, depending on what the end goal is, would likely be extremely costly.
It's a shame really. The First Gulf War was a great victory for the U.S. While the U.S. expected to win Iraq's military was expected to put up more of a fight. It was large and had mostly Soviet equipment which still demanded respect. Assuredly, the estimated costs were supposed to be much higher than they actually were for the U.S. Instead the U.S. mopped the floor with the Iraqis... that was great for us but it scared the shite out of a lot of people and you better believe they haven't been sitting around just accepting the fact that we can send in carrier groups where ever the hell we want with impunity to get them to back down like we did with India and with China multiple times.
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 4/12/16 at 7:39 pm to Darth_Vader
Not that it would be awesome to call the coast guard but how awesome would it be to see this beast roll up...
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On 12 December 2015, during sea trials, Zumwalt responded to a U.S. Coast Guard call for assistance for a fishing boat captain who was experiencing a medical emergency 40 nautical miles (74 km) from Portland, Maine. Due to deck conditions, the Coast Guard helicopter was unable to hoist the patient from the fishing boat, so the Zumwalt crew transferred him to the destroyer using an 11-meter rigid-hulled inflatable boat (RHIB), from which he was transported to shore by the Coast Guard helicopter and then to a hospital.[26]
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