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re: US Marine leaves Trump Rally tonight
Posted on 6/3/16 at 9:47 am to CAD703X
Posted on 6/3/16 at 9:47 am to CAD703X
I think you missed my point. And I also think that the difference between immigrating to another country to flee a shitty situation to provide for your family and murder, theft, rape, etc. is pretty huge on the ethics scale.
I think it's ignorant for anyone to bitch about laws that you're breaking, and how a country wants to enforce laws that it has in place. I'm not arguing that point whatsoever, I was more arguing that you have to understand the root cause of why there is an immigration issue, not just put some glue and hope that plugs up the hole.
I think it's ignorant for anyone to bitch about laws that you're breaking, and how a country wants to enforce laws that it has in place. I'm not arguing that point whatsoever, I was more arguing that you have to understand the root cause of why there is an immigration issue, not just put some glue and hope that plugs up the hole.
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 9:49 am
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Posted on 6/3/16 at 9:50 am to Emiliooo
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I think you missed my point. And I also think that the difference between immigrating to another country to flee a shitty situation to provide for your family is different than murder, theft, rape, etc.
just because mexico is attached to the US geographically shouldn't give these frickers a monopoly on 'release from misery' right? what if sub-saharan africa was attached to the US? syria? iran?
are illegal mexican immigrants given a pass to 'flee a shitty situation' just because they only have to swim a river or run from some unmotivated border patrol agents vs the hoards sweeping through europe right now?
ETA i have NOTHING against mexicans or just about any other race. this is about enforcing laws and i'm sorry they are under the rule of drug lords who behead people & kill cops, but that's a reflection on their shitty government who is busy accepting bribes and turning a blind eye to their own populace' suffering.
This post was edited on 6/3/16 at 9:53 am
Posted on 6/3/16 at 9:52 am to ihometiger
Is dude about to cry? What a puss!
Posted on 6/3/16 at 9:53 am to SG_Geaux
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Sadly, the country is already lost. Far more minorities that will be brought up to vote Liberal/Democrat and expect handouts are being born here than future Republican/Conservative.
Ideally, we shouldn't strive for people to be raised as disciples of a particular party. The hope is that people will be able to form their own opinions on which party caters to their needs the most.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 9:54 am to roadGator
It depends on the situation. If I thought that myself as an American (because I was of that nationality) were being treated unfairly as compared to the native population, then I would think I would want my voice to be heard.
I don't see that as being disrespectful. Of course, there are some situations where this can get misconstrued. But the general idea of standing up for yourself (or your nationality) is not something that I find insulting to others.
I don't see that as being disrespectful. Of course, there are some situations where this can get misconstrued. But the general idea of standing up for yourself (or your nationality) is not something that I find insulting to others.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 9:54 am to Pettifogger
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While there is some truth to this, it's crazy how we're suddenly pinning the loss of the country on illegal immigration instead of the massive amounts of natives who have their hand out and are doing far more damage to the future of the nation
This
Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:00 am to CAD703X
I think it's easy to debate and be on one side of this issue if you look down from the ivory tower. I know that we probably have all lived somewhat of a comfortable life and haven't ever really had to worry about whether or not you'd be captured by the cartel, or fricking killed by a suicide bomber.
I'm just saying, take a look at their situation, how fricked it is, and say, oh... maybe I can sympathize with that person for wanting to get the hell out of there.
So, you just say frick the people because the government is incompetent and turns a blind eye? I know that I am in the minority for saying this, but I'd like to extend the olive branch so to speak to those people that are in shite water.
The predicament that you run into is, how can you manage the influx of people? Europe is really feeling the heat, and a lot of countries have done a poor job at managing this crisis. I don't believe there is a right answer to it, but I think you at least have to try to help out those in need.
I'm just saying, take a look at their situation, how fricked it is, and say, oh... maybe I can sympathize with that person for wanting to get the hell out of there.
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i'm sorry they are under the rule of drug lords who behead people & kill cops, but that's a reflection on their shitty government who is busy accepting bribes and turning a blind eye to their own populace' suffering.
So, you just say frick the people because the government is incompetent and turns a blind eye? I know that I am in the minority for saying this, but I'd like to extend the olive branch so to speak to those people that are in shite water.
The predicament that you run into is, how can you manage the influx of people? Europe is really feeling the heat, and a lot of countries have done a poor job at managing this crisis. I don't believe there is a right answer to it, but I think you at least have to try to help out those in need.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:00 am to Emiliooo
The root cause is not our problem. We can't even deal with or afford our own issues.
We are in no position financially to take even one more charity case but by all means, let the bleeding hearts bleed this country to death.
We are in no position financially to take even one more charity case but by all means, let the bleeding hearts bleed this country to death.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:03 am to Emiliooo
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So, you just say frick the people because the government is incompetent and turns a blind eye? I know that I am in the minority for saying this, but I'd like to extend the olive branch so to speak to those people that are in shite water.
yep. tough love. if it gets bad enough maybe they will fix their problems.
its like giving your drug-addicted 19 year old son money because you keep hoping he'll make a better decision when he's the only one who can truly help himself. cutting him off (enforcing the borders) is a first step to helping make that happen.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:06 am to roadGator
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The root cause is not our problem. We can't even deal with or afford our own issues.
I agree that we have to look inwards, because we as a country have a shite ton of fixing up to do with our economic structure, but I have to disagree that the root cause is not our problem to deal with.
I don't think the root cause stems from Mexico alone, as the world is essentially a global market, you can't just isolate a single country and consider all their problems to be isolated to that one country. That's looking too microscopic.
Let's think a little, how do you think the cartel is so powerful? I'd say the majority of their power comes from drug trade (obviously arms dealing, human trafficking, etc. make up other portions, but let's just look at solely drug trade). Who do you think helps fuel that fire? While the cartel mainly targets those in Mexico, it causes a huge social issue here in the States, and the cartel is definitely fueled by American policies. That being said, I don't think you can say that the root cause is "not our problem".
Posted on 6/3/16 at 10:13 am to CAD703X
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its like giving your drug-addicted 19 year old son money because you keep hoping he'll make a better decision when he's the only one who can truly help himself. cutting him off (enforcing the borders) is a first step to helping make that happen.
That's nothing like this, that's a shite analogy in my mind. Everyone will tell you that is a terrible way to manage that.
I don't think it comes as a big surprise that I'm a little left leaning when it comes to social issues, but I'm not in the school of thought that just tossing money to people is going to solve all the problems in the world. I agree 10000000% that that only creates more problems. Like I said before, you have to tackle the root cause of why the system is fricked, and hopefully from there you can see some progress.
Again, I'm not arguing that if you are in this country, you have to abide by the laws in which it's governed. I'm just wanting people to think of why the things are the way they are. And taking a look at these issues at the root cause level may not be pretty, but that's the only way we can move forward as a society.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:16 am to Hangit
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He parked far away from his apartment so that the elderly may park close.
I don't think he has a car.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:37 am to Emiliooo
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Emiliooo
you are actually well-spoken and have not resorted to name-calling to debate this.
what the hell are you doing on the OT?
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:45 am to Pettifogger
quote:no kidding. I'll take a hardworking Messican illegal all day over some lazy American sitting on his arse collecting the gubmint cheese, bitching about illegals.
Natives with hands out
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:59 am to CAD703X
Thanks man, name calling gets you nowhere. It's great to have different opinions and have some conflict of ideas, that's essentially how you grow by understanding where both sides come from.
I don't stick around here long, I read the comments for fun because it's funny what some people say.
I don't stick around here long, I read the comments for fun because it's funny what some people say.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:21 pm to SirWinston
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next President of these United States, Donald J. TRUMP
That ain't gonna happen, get used to president Killery.
Nominate an un-electable a-hole and that's what we get.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:08 pm to Porker Face
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since the Great Recession of 2007-2009, illegal immigration to the United States has slowed down from its peak around 2005
Even though this is deliberately misleading, I'll play along...
When a patient is bleeding out, do you think a doc aims to just slow down the bleeding with a band-aid or stop it with a tourniquet?
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:27 pm to Emiliooo
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Emiliooo
Makes sense
Posted on 6/3/16 at 1:52 pm to TomyDingo
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Or maybe they are raised Liberal/Democrat because of prejudice people like you in the Republican Party.
Or they're lazy as hell and want free shite
Posted on 6/3/16 at 2:36 pm to rebeloke
I think he is pushing himself in a wheel chair.
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