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Posted on 11/5/25 at 9:07 pm to jfan244888
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NTSB says the left engine caught fire and detached in the update.
I haven’t watched any vids, but that’s so hard to wrap my mind around.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 9:20 pm to Btrtigerfan
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Aviate, navigate, communicate.
While I agree that’s a basic rule of flying any airplane, that was out the window in this case. I think they were the one in a million unfortunate souls that experienced the worst V1 cut of all time.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 9:24 pm to cubsfan5150
The picture of an engine, a big engine on the ground where there was no engine before the crash is hard to argue against.
The engine is between the end of the runway and where the plane came down with massive fiery explosions.
The engine is between the end of the runway and where the plane came down with massive fiery explosions.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 9:34 pm to HerkFlyer
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they were the one in a million unfortunate souls that experienced the worst V1 cut of all time.
Without a doubt. It was completely inescapable. I would be shocked to learn it to be anything other than a maintenance issue.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 9:35 pm to HerkFlyer
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Came here to post this exact video. I’d been waiting on his response all day. Blancolirio is the best YouTube aviation incedent investigator.
I think he’s pretty dead on here. #1 separated and FOD’d out #2. Shitty situation. Even if #2 had kept running, what would have become of the fire on the left wing? Depending on what the engine took with it(shut off valves), there could be fuel and hydraulic fluid still being dumped on that fire. Perfect storm for structural failure later in flight. I think these guys were damned from the moment they hit V1.
My thoughts too. It almost makes me wonder if this plane had been a 757 (or any other twin engine really) would it have been able to get to air more even with the wing damage and fire( since those can get airborne one engine iirc). But a wing fire that bad isnt going to flyable for very long and probably wouldn't have been able to turn and land at an airport either imo.
Either slam into the sorting facility in front of you trying to stop or get pray you can ditch in a field and not a residential neighborhood. No win situation.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 9:37 pm to Btrtigerfan
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Again, the pilots has that plane flying straight and level until the gear makes contact.
Yeah they were level, but had to be sinking to contact those lines at that distance.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 9:38 pm to jfan244888
Best bet to get airborne and dump it into the Ohio River? Would that have even been feasible?
Posted on 11/5/25 at 9:41 pm to jfan244888
The amount of fuel he said the plane was staggering. More than twice as much as the planes that hit the towers. Perfect storm situation. Terrifying.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 9:44 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Talked to my son-in-law who talked to his dad. There was too much weight to get that kind of lift with two engines, especially with the uneven distribution of power. FWIW, his dad looked at his old flight logs and realized he flew that actual jet a few years ago.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 9:52 pm to Auburn1968
They had a two hour MX delay. Not good.
They were also at V1 so they did everything they were supposed to do.
They were also at V1 so they did everything they were supposed to do.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 9:53 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Best bet to get airborne and dump it into the Ohio River? Would that have even been feasible?
Not a pilot but probably would've been the the only feasible thing had they had a left wing. Not enough time.
Looking at Google maps the runway they were using takes you away from the river. You'd have stay airborne for a while to try it.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 9:54 pm to IlikeyouBetty
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The amount of fuel he said the plane was staggering.
They were going to Honolulu so it's on point. MD's can carry a ton of freight, weight and fuel were not the issue.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 9:54 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Best bet to get airborne and dump it into the Ohio River? Would that have even been feasible?
Probably not from that spot and at that velocity. Parts of the river are deep, others aren’t. And then you have the McAlpine Locks, multiple bridges, etc.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 10:19 pm to jfan244888
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Either slam into the sorting facility in front of you trying to stop or get pray you can ditch in a field and not a residential neighborhood. No win situation.
I believe they got dealt the shittiest hand of any pilots with regard to go/no go decisions in a long time. They should have aborted. It’s nice to sit on my couch and say what they should’ve done.
I would have done the same thing they did. I think our general philosophy with regard to go/no go decisions failed these baws. To abort in that situation would have gone against everything they’ve been taught as transport pilots. If it’s as appears they did it by the book. They seem to have hit V1 and continued.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 5:36 am to A10Rebel
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They had a two hour MX delay. Not good.
Its been stated multiple times, the 2 hour delay was because of a leak, but they switched planes in those 2 hours. The Tail# of the accident aircraft was different than the one with the initial maintenance problem.
This post was edited on 11/6/25 at 5:38 am
Posted on 11/6/25 at 5:43 am to Saintsisit
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Its been stated multiple times, the 2 hour delay was because of a leak, but they switched planes in those 2 hours. The Tail# of the accident aircraft was different than the one with the initial maintenance problem.
Okay so what I've been told now was the aircraft of the accident had just come out of maintenance and was taking its first trip since being downed and repaired.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 5:47 am to A10Rebel
I've read that too. Its just not the initial aircraft that had a leak of some kind. They didn't do some major repair on the #1 engine like some are speculating in 2 hours.
The 2 hour delay was to move cargo and prep the replacement plane that crashed.
If that holds true, thats a terrible chain of events that led to their deaths.
The 2 hour delay was to move cargo and prep the replacement plane that crashed.
If that holds true, thats a terrible chain of events that led to their deaths.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:52 am to Saintsisit
It's being reported that the aircraft went through a heavy maintenance check recently. These happen at scheduled intervals just like your car. It appears that this maintenance facility, ST Engineering has been around for a while and is reputable.
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What we know
The aircraft spent a long period (Sept 3 to Oct 18, 2025) parked at a maintenance facility of ST Engineering at San Antonio International Airport.
During that maintenance period, voluntary reports filed to the Federal Aviation Administration’s Service Difficulty Reporting system indicated that the aircraft had structural corrosion (rust) in two bilge areas and a cracked stringer near the centre wing upper fuel tank.
Investigators with the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) are reviewing the full maintenance and structural history, including the recent maintenance event.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 8:29 am to HeyCap
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indicated that the aircraft had structural corrosion (rust) in two bilge areas and a cracked stringer near the centre wing upper fuel tank.
Those things aren’t uncommon when a bird goes into depot level repair. They usually have many years and flight hours on them by that time and it’s not uncommon to find alot of broke/cracked/parts with corrosion. Just depends on what the repair orders are for a given part.
If a catastrophic engine failure caused the chain of events it could be numerous things.
I do question if the airlines/companies have some type of S.O.A.P. Program like we had in the Air Force to monitor engine wear. Saves many an engine and/or plane every year in the AF.
Of course being a catastrophic failure it might not have made a difference if it was a turbine/compressor disc that let go. However the pic of the engine lying on the runway didn’t seem to have been missing any stages. And I wouldn’t think a catastrophic engine failure alone would cause the engine to detach. But it’s possible.
I told coworkers yesterday I believe whatever happened FOD’d out number two on the tail, which left them heavy AND minus 66% of their thrust power on TO, which is an incredibly worst case scenario for that aircrew.
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