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re: Update: NO murder charges in Breonna Taylor death.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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getting a no knock warrant for a location where the suspect isn't even located isn't a good thing
compounding that horrible job by creating a situation where gunfire occurred makes it worse
having that gunfire lead to the LEO killing of an unarmed person who was no threat to police and had no association to the warrant? really bad
like i've said. this case is an indictment of the structural issues in the system. when cops can be this bad at their jobs and create a dangerous situation where it wasn't needed or justified and get away without ANY criminal charges? while likely intentionally obstructing the evidence? it shows the system needs a complete overhaul
All of this. Judges need to start being held accountable for the warrants they sign, but our system is broken. I don't think it's a race thing, I think it's a money thing.
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Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:05 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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22 shots fired
22 shots fired between Walker and the cop?
Walker shot first....we know that
How many times did he keep shooting after he realized it was the police?
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:05 pm to NawlinsTiger9
So if they dont press charges against the officers, will the one that was fired for this situation be given his job back with back pay?
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:05 pm to paperwasp
Anyone rational enough to tell me what the verdict SHOULD be? I'm not well read on it at all ... I've read it was no knock .. I've read they knocked. I've read all sorts of things.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:07 pm to tiger91
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Anyone rational enough to tell me what the verdict SHOULD be?
No
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:07 pm to kywildcatfanone
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Maybe, just maybe, you shouldn't be hanging out with someone who does shoot at police. Maybe you won't be hit by crossfire. Maybe.
Bingo...she was collateral damage.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:08 pm to tgrbaitn08
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How many times did he keep shooting after he realized it was the police?
I don't know that the official ballistics has been released to the public but here's the statement by the officers:
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Sergeant Jon Mattingly said in a police interview that he fired a total of six rounds. Myles Cosgrove also fired shots from inside the apartment. Brett Hankison blindly fired 10 rounds from outside, through the patio door, according to his termination letter.
So that's close to 20 accounted for from the officers themselves. I believe Walker dropped his gun in the midst of the altercation when they started firing back (that was in the C-J facts article I posted earlier). So it's assumed it was by and large the police.
WLKY on FBI ballistics report released to AG
This post was edited on 9/23/20 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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an unarmed person who was no threat to LEO getting killed, for starters
It embarrasses me that any accredited US university conferred a law degree on you. Your positions are consistently inane and ignore both the evidence and long-established legal principles. The fact that an innocent bystander (if that term can be used here) died is not presumptive proof of any crime. Crimes require mens rea, not mere outcomes. The police entered the residence on a valid warrant supported by ample probable cause and they were fired upon. One officer was struck and wounded. They were legally entitled to return fire and defend themselves. They reasonably believed their lives were in danger. Not every tragic death is a crime.
This post was edited on 9/23/20 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:08 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Being in the company of a criminal isn't an automatic death sentence.
Legally, no but my Bible says different. 1/4 of the Book of Proverbs seems to counsel people around the company they keep and to beware its dangers.
But of course none of that counts because you don’t believe it to be true. Seems pretty true to me though.
This post was edited on 9/23/20 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:08 pm to chRxis
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how about us, as taxpaying citizens... complete background checks, complete mental fitness evals, higher minimum threshold (with higher pay, of course), are just some of the ways to weed out bad candidates,
Let me know when you pitch this idea to the legislature...or at least when you schedule a meeting with your rep
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:09 pm to DiamondDog
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Legally, no but my Bible says different.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:10 pm to DiamondDog
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Legally, no but my Bible says different.
Well, the church ain't pressin' charges in this country. So, no, I don't believe in their jurisdiction in this matter.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This post was edited on 9/24/20 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:11 pm to tiger91
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Anyone rational enough to tell me what the verdict SHOULD be?
Well, there won't be a verdict yet in any regard, but it seems as though there won't be charges against the officers, and there shouldn't be, based on this isolated incident.
If there was something shady going on to obtain the warrant, that's a different incident.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:11 pm to DmitriKaramazov
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It embarrasses me that any accredited US university conferred a law degree on you.
I have to believe he got his law degree from Southern or it's an online law degree.....there's no way he got a law degree from LSU, Tulane or Loyola
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:11 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Hey man I’m just out here trying to help y’all out with some age old wisdom.
Lay down with dogs and wake up with fleas.
I’m just out here trying to help y’all out with some age old wisdom. Lay down with dogs and wake up with fleas.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:11 pm to tiger91
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Anyone rational enough to tell me what the verdict SHOULD be?
I don't think there should be charges filed against the cops, though I think there is a LOT of wrongdoing by law enforcement in the case. By all accounts, the police responded with gunfire when they were fired upon by her boyfriend. It's established that they did knock, but it is in dispute on whether they identified themselves as police. Her boyfriend claims he didn't hear them identify themselves, felt himself in danger, and fired his gun at the door. Police responded with their own gunfire. Taylor was the only one that was shot.
That is my understanding of what went down. All the other minutiae on who she associated with, what those associates did in their lives, other crimes they committed is just noise.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:12 pm to kengel2
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So if they dont press charges against the officers, will the one that was fired for this situation be given his job back with back pay?
They may give him back pay in exchange for him quitting and leaving. He'll never be a cop again, though.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:14 pm to tgrbaitn08
Law degrees are a dime a dozen.
Posted on 9/23/20 at 12:14 pm to kengel2
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So if they dont press charges against the officers, will the one that was fired for this situation be given his job back with back pay?
Didn't he unload his gun blindly through a door?
No, I sure as frick hope he doesn't get his job back.
Remember, one of the cops in the Alton Sterling incident still ended up fired despite no charges. After seeing the body cam footage, I think it was the right call to fire him.
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