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re: (Update) Menendez brothers will be resentenced. Could be paroled immediately
Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:40 pm to RLDSC FAN
Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:40 pm to RLDSC FAN
I thought the sexual abuse allegations were a “Hail Mary” defense strategy.
After researching the case, there is plenty to force a resentencing:
1. Multiple family members who support the boys voiced sexually abused while they were younger.
2. Multiple pediatric visits with subjective complaints consistent with sexual abuse.
3. Controlling father who was accused of molesting another boy in his care (Menudo member)
4. An unethical psychiatrist that gave dad all the private information of treatment and told the details of the boys to his mistress.
5. A crisis event (the younger boy being told he was not allow to go to college out of state and would stay home with dad).
6. The prosecution could not come up with a single witness to testify to the goodness of the parents. No one liked them at all. Dad was a tyrant and a narcissist.
I think dad was a pedophile and molested them both. He threatened to kill them if they left or talked and he had the leverage to make them believe it.
After researching the case, there is plenty to force a resentencing:
1. Multiple family members who support the boys voiced sexually abused while they were younger.
2. Multiple pediatric visits with subjective complaints consistent with sexual abuse.
3. Controlling father who was accused of molesting another boy in his care (Menudo member)
4. An unethical psychiatrist that gave dad all the private information of treatment and told the details of the boys to his mistress.
5. A crisis event (the younger boy being told he was not allow to go to college out of state and would stay home with dad).
6. The prosecution could not come up with a single witness to testify to the goodness of the parents. No one liked them at all. Dad was a tyrant and a narcissist.
I think dad was a pedophile and molested them both. He threatened to kill them if they left or talked and he had the leverage to make them believe it.
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Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:40 pm to Fun Bunch
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Exactly. I believe they were abused. However.
They weren’t kids they were adults. They could have simply left and lived their lives. And told the police.
Instead they wanted the money.
I tell you what, If my Dad made my suck his cock and he fricked me in the arse from the age of 6, I would have no problem
A.Blowing his head off
B. Getting all his money
The Mom obviously knew, so she gets a shotgun to the head as well
35 years, I would say that's enough time
Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:41 pm to Fun Bunch
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They weren’t kids they were adults. They could have simply left and lived their lives. And told the police.
I believe they alleged that if they told, their father would have them killed and that they may not be believed. They believed their father was powerful and it appears he probably was.
They were dumb.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:41 pm to ChiTownBammer
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There are different kinds of self defense. To be fair, and for the sake of argument, are you supposed to lay there and wait for your abuser to kill you or maim you before you act? There are allowances in the law for this sort of thing. I'm not saying this is absolutely the case here, but there is such a thing as imperfect self defense.
They were adults. They could have left. Instead they chose to remain in the abusers' house while they planned the murders for days/weeks. Then tried to cover it up, which isn't very self-defense like. And then went on a spending spree having a great time for months.
Gary Plauche shot the abuser and in no way tried to get away with it after. That is a big difference.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:43 pm to The Goat
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I tell you what, If my Dad made my suck his cock and he fricked me in the arse from the age of 6, I would have no problem
A.Blowing his head off
B. Getting all his money
The Mom obviously knew, so she gets a shotgun to the head as well
35 years, I would say that's enough time
Agree completely.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:43 pm to SECdragonmaster
quote:
After researching the case, there is plenty to force a resentencing:
another case of rewriting history, it's terrible if all of this is true but does not factor in defense of cold blooded. premeditated murder, that's what they were charged and convicted of, as others have pointed out, they were adults, they could have gone to the cops, or just leave, and never come back, they plotted and carried out the murders, and their motive was greed, not fear or retribution
Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:44 pm to The Goat
quote:
I tell you what, If my Dad made my suck his cock and he fricked me in the arse from the age of 6, I would have no problem
A.Blowing his head off
B. Getting all his money
The Mom obviously knew, so she gets a shotgun to the head as well
I don't disagree.
quote:
35 years, I would say that's enough time
I disagree, based on the facts of the murder (pre-meditated, tried to get away with it, etc.)
Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:51 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Gascon is the worst of the worst. Surprisingly, he's way down in the polls. Even L.A. is sick of him.
Just looked it up. He’s way down in the polls, and wayyyyyy down in fundraising.
Almost all of his opponent’s support and money is coming from L.A. County. Gascon received a lot of support from progressives and special interests throughout California and around the country when he was first elected.
They’ve abandoned him, and his opponent’s support is organic and homegrown.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:56 pm to CatfishJohn
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Gary Plauche shot the abuser and in no way tried to get away with it after. That is a big difference.
big difference with Gary, imo, is although his act was premeditated and could be argued in cold blood, he took the first opportunity to get to Doucet that he had when he first set foot back in Baton Rouge, then did not try to run or cover it up
Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:56 pm to RLDSC FAN
Honestly, if they were actually sexually abused for years by their father with an enabling mother, turn them loose. I can't in good conscience consider Gary Plauche a hero while wanting to condemn these guys.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:58 pm to 777Tiger
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e took the first opportunity to get to Doucet that he had when he first set foot back in Baton Rouge, then did not try to run or cover it up
Kinda hard to cover it up when you’re on camera doing it.
No one is accusing these kids of being smart. If they were abused to the extent they were, they were likely completely broken
Posted on 10/24/24 at 12:59 pm to GRTiger
Except these guys planned it for months. They only acted after they were told they were out of the will.
One of them went out to the car, reloaded, and went back in and finished his mother off who was still alive and crawling for help.
They planned in advance several attempts at alibis. After the murders they went on a crazy spending spree.
They tried to pay off several friends and family members to lie for them.
Several of their stories were straight out of a book one of them had read.
One of them went out to the car, reloaded, and went back in and finished his mother off who was still alive and crawling for help.
They planned in advance several attempts at alibis. After the murders they went on a crazy spending spree.
They tried to pay off several friends and family members to lie for them.
Several of their stories were straight out of a book one of them had read.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 1:03 pm to Fun Bunch
Those are insignificant details to me. They probably dreamed about murdering their rapist father for longer than you know. And I don't blame them for that.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 1:04 pm to Fun Bunch
Honestly I don't really care one way or the other
Posted on 10/24/24 at 1:05 pm to thelawnwranglers
Neither do I.
I have some sympathy for them if they were actually abused.
I have some sympathy for them if they were actually abused.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 1:06 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
Except these guys planned it for months. They only acted after they were told they were out of the will.
One of them went out to the car, reloaded, and went back in and finished his mother off who was still alive and crawling for help.
They planned in advance several attempts at alibis. After the murders they went on a crazy spending spree.
They tried to pay off several friends and family members to lie for them.
Several of their stories were straight out of a book one of them had read.
not to mention these were grown men, not children, their defense lawyer even had them wear makeup, hair prostheses(one of them was practically bald and the other was losing his hair,) and preppy clothes in court to try and con the jury into thinking they were "just kids"
Posted on 10/24/24 at 1:16 pm to CatfishJohn
I never brought Gary Plauche into any of this. Someone else did. He's not a terrible analogy, though. It speaks to the disparity between premeditating something and acting out of passion and whether or not and to what degree you can be held accountable for your actions over a relatively long amount of time when were talking about abuse that may have been carried out over years.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 1:16 pm to ChiTownBammer
It was just a general response.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 1:18 pm to RLDSC FAN
I get it. They killed the dad. He was awful. Probably not worth a life sentence if abused. But they also killed the mom for almost no reason. For that, it just doesn’t seem ok to let them out. They murdered people. They could have just left and never returned. It’s not like they were little kids.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 1:19 pm to CatfishJohn
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Their abuse is abhorrent, but they didn't kill in the heat of the moment. They planned for at least a week and blew their parents' faces off.
Just as a side note if a parent planned for a week and blew the face off of their child's abuser tOT would erect a statue.
This post was edited on 10/24/24 at 1:28 pm
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