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re: Update: Judge rules there's probable cause to charge officers for12 yr old death
Posted on 6/9/15 at 11:50 pm to theenemy
Posted on 6/9/15 at 11:50 pm to theenemy
List me the good measures the cops took.
There's none.
They drive up fast on an unsuspecting 12 year old, jump out of the car at a close distance, and start shooting without any hesitation. How is that properly addressing a situation? which was a non-threat one btw. Gun was in the 12 year olds pants
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Posted on 6/9/15 at 11:59 pm to UpToPar
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100 feet
Long way to make contact with someone.
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they probably should have ordered him to keep his hands up if they thought he was armed before getting out of the car
Hell no!
You want out of the car as quickly as possible. Remaining inside your car is a death trap.
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while remaining behind the car door.
Car doors are useless they only provide cover in the movies. The only place on a car that provides cover is the engine block.
Me....I want the violator about 10 feet in front of my vehicle where I can see whats in his hands and talk to him in a loud voice while I give him commands.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 12:01 am to theenemy
Talk to him from where? In the car? A death trap according to you. Behind the door? Pointless according to you? Behind the car? Then you have to get out of the car and expose yourself while you try to take cover behind the car.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 12:03 am to theenemy
You must be a cop or a former cop, that would explain your fricking stupidity. Nothing was in his hands, there was zero threat at the point the cops arrived.
Frick you, you stupid count.
Frick you, you stupid count.
This post was edited on 6/10/15 at 12:04 am
Posted on 6/10/15 at 12:03 am to Futures Bleak
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List me the good measures the cops took.
I'm not saying they did it correctly......just that approaching in a vehicle and contacting the subject within 30-45 feet is the correct tactic.
Also, performing a certain tactic wrong is not murder. Liable civilly...yes. Criminally...no
Posted on 6/10/15 at 12:07 am to UpToPar
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Talk to him from where?
From beside my vehicle, with the engine between me and him.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 12:13 am to theenemy
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Also, performing a certain tactic wrong is not murder. Liable civilly...yes. Criminally...no
May not be murder but that doesn't mean it wasn't criminal either.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 12:18 am to reedus23
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May not be murder but that doesn't mean it wasn't criminal either
What criminal charges do you see they committed?
I think its gonna be hard to get past that airsoft pistol that looked like a real gun. Its gonna be hard to convince a jury that a reasonable person would have known that wasn't a real gun.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 7:18 am to theenemy
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I think its gonna be hard to get past that airsoft pistol that looked like a real gun. Its gonna be hard to convince a jury that a reasonable person would have known that wasn't a real gun.
Somebody post a pic of the gun if you can find it. It sure as hell looked like a real one, esp. when you don't have time to study it.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 7:25 am to Futures Bleak
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List me the good measures the cops took.
There's none.
They drive up fast on an unsuspecting 12 year old, jump out of the car at a close distance, and start shooting without any hesitation.
This.
I'm normally on the cops side but the video is plain enough to see THEY fukked this one up. I emphasize "they" because the driver plainly put the passenger in a position of danger. He had to get out. The door is no protection. If he is going to exit the door he better be ready to take action. In this case he chose the wrong action. The driver plainly has some culpability.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 8:47 am to ManBearTiger
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Dude... there is absolutely no question that they were too quick to shoot... there was no actual threat, so any shooting at all is too quick no matter how you slice it.
Dude...what don't you understand about the officers were informed that there was, in fact, a threat? You can't really be that stupid...
Posted on 6/10/15 at 8:54 am to Big Scrub TX
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There's any number of other approaches he could have taken instead of rolling up and firing.
Really? Go walking around waving what looks to be a real gun and see what actions come next.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 8:57 am to reedus23
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May not be murder but that doesn't mean it wasn't criminal either.
This. They made a poor decision that lead to a person's death at their hands. They should be charged with manslaughter.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 10:28 am to Futures Bleak
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List me the good measures the cops took.
There's none.
They drive up fast on an unsuspecting 12 year old, jump out of the car at a close distance, and start shooting without any hesitation. How is that properly addressing a situation? which was a non-threat one btw. Gun was in the 12 year olds pants
Spoken like a guy that has never worked a day as a peace officer. It's easy to Monday morning QB, but to actually react in the situation is another thing. There's a whole bunch of 'dumbassery' in this thread.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 10:37 am to 91TIGER
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Spoken like a guy that has never worked a day as a peace officer. It's easy to Monday morning QB, but to actually react in the situation is another thing. There's a whole bunch of 'dumbassery' in this thread.
That's fine and all, but poor decision making resulted in a dead 12 year old. I'm all for giving the cop the benefit of the doubt that after he got out of the car he reasonably believed that the kid was reaching for what he thought was a real gun, but it was a very very poor decision to approach this kid in that way. Does it deserve a murder charge? Probably not. But a kid is still dead because of a poor decision. The kids actions are not to be excused either, but he is 12.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:28 am to UpToPar
I would be willing to bet big money the outcry would be no different if the kid had a real weapon, it would have been the same.
It is all about protect the thug and get the cop.
It is all about protect the thug and get the cop.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:31 am to antibarner
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It is all about protect the thug and get the cop.
Did you watch the video? The police's actions would have been comical had a life not been taken as a result.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:33 am to NYNolaguy1
5'7" 191# 12 y/o?
Seems large for a kid.
Seems large for a kid.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:39 am to dagrippa
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Did you watch the video? The police's actions would have been comical had a life not been taken as a result.
And let's not forget they didn't administer first aid until at least 240 seconds had passed.
The shooter was a known emotional wreck who couldn't keep his job on his previous force.
The driver was an idiot to come blazing in there like that.
Nothing about what these cops did was defensible - before, during or after.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 5:44 pm to Big Scrub TX
Update- judge rules there's enough evidence to charge officers in death of Tamir Rice
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CLEVELAND — Officials have enough evidence to charge a Cleveland police officer with murder in the shooting death last year of 12-year-old Tamir Rice, a judge ruled Thursday. Neither rookie Officer Timothy Loehmann nor his partner, Officer Frank Garmback, has been arrested or charged with a crime. But the opinion from Judge Ronald Adrine of Cleveland Municipal Court found probable cause for prosecutors to do so. Adrine believes that enough evidence exists to charge Loehmann with murder, involuntary manslaughter, reckless homicide or dereliction of duty; and Garmback with reckless homicide or dereliction of duty. "This court reaches its conclusions consistent with the facts in evidence and the standard of proof that applies at this time," the judge wrote.
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