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re: UPDATE Georgia Cop faces 35 Years for shooting unarmed man
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:40 am to deeprig9
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:40 am to deeprig9
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The cop did it by the book. If you want to put the system on trial, then put the system on trial. Change the book. But this one cop who did everything he was trained to do, by the book, shouldn't spend the rest of his life in prison.
If he did everything by the book he wouldn't be on trial.
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Posted on 10/16/19 at 6:15 am to BuckyCheese
That only works if the DA is on the up and up and/or there isn’t massive public pressure to bring charges.
A majority black area with a black victim and a white cop? Sounds like a recipe for public outcry of “unlawful killing” regardless of what he did.
If the jury horse-trading on a verdict is true, this one probably gets thrown out on appeal but this guy’s life is over even if he goes free.
A majority black area with a black victim and a white cop? Sounds like a recipe for public outcry of “unlawful killing” regardless of what he did.
If the jury horse-trading on a verdict is true, this one probably gets thrown out on appeal but this guy’s life is over even if he goes free.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 6:16 am to BuckyCheese
What a stupid line of thinking. Like holy shite, you're basically presuming guilt.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 6:29 am to bird35
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If I am a white policeman working in a minority, majority district I am getting a new job.
You could not pay me enough to be a cop in DeKalb, Fulton or Clayton.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 7:45 am to deeprig9
I think police departments need training on how to handle the mentally ill. Isn’t this why they have teasers?
Posted on 10/16/19 at 8:24 am to GeauxtigersMs36
Not all mentally ill are the same and you aren’t necessarily aware of it before you work the scene.
Even then, cops should not be the first person called in dealing with a mentally ill individual short of them being a danger to someone else.
Trying to cross-train them to do a bunch of stuff in addition to dealing with criminals is going to end up with dead cops or dead suspects in the long run because either the cop acted inappropriately for the situation and either got killed by the perp or killed a mentally ill suspect who wasn’t following commands.
In addition to this situation, we have the one from East Feliciana the other day where a crook got shot and killed while stealing fried chicken.
The family bitched about how the cops knew he was mentally ill and shouldn’t have shot him.
If the family got him into treatment or, better yet, stopped him from stealing shite, he would still be alive.
Even then, cops should not be the first person called in dealing with a mentally ill individual short of them being a danger to someone else.
Trying to cross-train them to do a bunch of stuff in addition to dealing with criminals is going to end up with dead cops or dead suspects in the long run because either the cop acted inappropriately for the situation and either got killed by the perp or killed a mentally ill suspect who wasn’t following commands.
In addition to this situation, we have the one from East Feliciana the other day where a crook got shot and killed while stealing fried chicken.
The family bitched about how the cops knew he was mentally ill and shouldn’t have shot him.
If the family got him into treatment or, better yet, stopped him from stealing shite, he would still be alive.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 8:29 am to deeprig9
quote:Sounds like how Emmitt Till's murderers got off with no convictions?
Cop is white. Victim is black. Jurisdiction is 90% black. Jury is black. Judge is black female, well known radical liberal judge. He fricked.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 8:41 am to deeprig9
Why did the cop shoot him. This seems like a situation where some less lethal weapons would have been effective.
35 years may be a bit much, but I don't see why his first thought was to shoot the man. Bad shoot in my opinion.
35 years may be a bit much, but I don't see why his first thought was to shoot the man. Bad shoot in my opinion.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 8:42 am to deeprig9
Prosecutors should have gone with manslaughter. That being said, he deserves jail time. He lied and stated the guy was punching on him, when witnesses stated he never touched him.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 8:46 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
How do you know he was lying? Is there video or the witnesses are more credible?
Posted on 10/16/19 at 8:53 am to teke184
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Trying to cross-train them to do a bunch of stuff in addition to dealing with criminals is going to end up with dead cops or dead suspects in the long run because either the cop acted inappropriately for the situation and either got killed by the perp or killed a mentally ill suspect who wasn’t following commands.
We pay cops on average 30-50k, then expect them to make split second decisions while dealing with numerous unknowns then we all get to sit here on YouTube and judge them. It’s one of the most ridiculous things we do as a society.
I’m not speaking on any one event in particular, just in general as I’m aware that there are some frickups.
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 9:45 am
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:08 am to Proximo
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or the witnesses are more credible?
We all know witnesses would never lie. Like the Michael Brown wits who were later found to not even have been there when the shooting happened.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:11 am to brass2mouth
I would think that anyone, cop or otherwise, that has at their disposal mace, a baton, a tazer and a handgun would chose the least lethal method to control an unarmed nude man.
What they are paid doesn't matter. The almighty "training" shouldn't matter. Common sense should. And common sense says you don't just blast the guy.
What they are paid doesn't matter. The almighty "training" shouldn't matter. Common sense should. And common sense says you don't just blast the guy.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:44 am to BuckyCheese
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has at their disposal mace, a baton, a tazer
The problem with these is yet again the unknown. The unknown if they’ll work.
A TASER to be effective you have to have proper probe spread to have the person “lock up” like you see in videos.
Spray you risk the chance of your yourself being exposed if the wind or environment is wrong.
Baton means you’re fighting and hitting them.
So oddly enough your common sense line of thought says that if someone is running at you you use what’s guaranteed to work.
As I said I’m not speaking to this exact scenario.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:48 am to deeprig9
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The deceased was a 26 year old mentally ill afghan vet that was running around naked in apartment complex, cops show up, guy charges cop, cop shoots.
Was he charging with a weapon?
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Doesn't seem like that big of a deal
Somebody died and its "no big deal"
Posted on 10/16/19 at 10:36 am to brass2mouth
Using your logic they might as well not bother carrying that shite then as it "might not work".
Posted on 10/16/19 at 10:54 am to BuckyCheese
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Using your logic they might as well not bother carrying that shite then as it "might not work".
I simply took your “common sense” rationale and showed you why ones “common sense” would lead to a person being shot and not tased and you respond with a completely emotional response.
There are scenarios where the other tools are effective and have their place, but not when someone is charging you.
The normal human reaction when someone charges at you is to protect yourself. Whether that person is armed or not matters nothing, because as I said earlier the numerous unknowns that can happen.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 11:05 am to Merck
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I'm not taking a stand on one sidorit the other because I just don't have enough information about this particular instance, but I do want to know when "the book" was changed to "kill all unarmed naked people running at you." When cops routinely carry sticks, mace, and tasers why exactly does naked and unarmed equal instant kill?
Exactly
I understand there is going to be gray area and there are going to be mistakes. But the whole "if a golden retriever/naked unarmed man comes at me I'm supposed to use lethal force" thing is not helping.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 11:38 am to brass2mouth
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you respond with a completely emotional response.
My response was not emotional. It was a logical deduction from your previous post where you spelled out the reasons you feel those options should not be used.
Sound like a cop.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 12:30 pm to deeprig9
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Cop is white.
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Dekalb County
RIP
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