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re: Update: Alleged Perp in custody: Garret James Ward of BR for 2nd Degree murder
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:20 am to Saskwatch
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:20 am to Saskwatch
Dude I live in Seattle. A panhandler threatened to throw his feces at me in Pioneer Square, and then preceded to take a dump in an alley, in what I assume was preparing the first salvo. I've dealt with plenty, and they are mostly harmless.
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Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:21 am to tgrbaitn08
quote:I have no clue who the witnesses are at this point. They could be some of Jacksons closest friends....
Even given all that all the reports say Ward kicked him repeatedly in the head after he was on the ground?
quote:How many of the murders in nola are committed by non-previous offenders, who had a full time jobs and graduated college, white or black?
Im surprised at both
I would imagine the number is identically minuscule for both races.....
The race adds zero to the surprise for me
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:21 am to crazy4lsu
quote:
You act like panhandlers dying from fights with drunk shite heads is a normal occurrence. I don't know where you get that impression.
I bet panhandlers die in situations like this more than regular people. Not from well to do white people but from drunk or drugged up shitheads.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:21 am to lsu13lsu
quote:
arguing that it is manslaughter
Chances are it will be. Don't see it going to trial either.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:22 am to lsupride87
So he murders a 60 year old man, or was that collateral damage or something? I'm having a hard time thinking a 60 year old diabetic man who looks like Yoda could threaten anyone.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:22 am to Covingtontiger77
Has a gofundme page been started yet for this young man? Will there be a gofundme page for this young man?
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:22 am to ShreveportHog94
quote:
Do you think this murder could be justified in any way?
Yes, a ton of ways
Repeatedly kicking someone in the head after he's already knocked out can be justified a ton of ways?
Give me 3 ways
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:23 am to Splackavellie
quote:That would be my guess at this point.
arguing that it is manslaughter
Chances are it will be. Don't see it going to trial either
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:23 am to crazy4lsu
quote:
I'm having a hard time thinking a 60 year old diabetic man who looks like Yoda could threaten anyone.
If I am approached by anyone while out at night in nola, I will be extremely vigilant as even the smallest weakest of people can pull a trigger......
Once again, talking in generalities, not this specific case. Red could have potentially been minding his own business entirely
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:24 am to tgrbaitn08
quote:
Repeatedly kicking someone in the head after he's already knocked out can be justified a ton of ways?
Give me 3 ways
1. While on the ground, he is reaching for a gun.
2. While on the ground, he is reaching for a knife.
3. While on the ground, he is attempting to pull the pin on a grenade.
I can come up with more.
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 11:26 am
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:25 am to tgrbaitn08
quote:He diddled Wards butthole
Give me 3 ways
He diddles wards young relatives butthole
He had a gun on him (or even just told ward he had a gun), and was still conscious and moving when last kick went to his head
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:26 am to tgrbaitn08
quote:
Repeatedly kicking someone in the head after he's already knocked out can be justified a ton of ways?
Again, you weren't fricking there. If a witness comes out tomorrow and says Ward was minding his own business and Jackson attacked him are you going to do a 180? Either way I'm saying just wait until we know. Make guesses all you want but some of you are lynch mob status. With me I'll say I don't know. But it looks bad for Ward right now.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:27 am to ShreveportHog94
Every single person is saying it is very bad for Ward. I don’t know why all these people are beating a straw man saying people think the guy is completely innocent.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:27 am to lsupride87
I'm not suggesting he should have left his guard down but there isn't a situation I've read in this thread that has yet to justify his behavior.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:29 am to tgrbaitn08
quote:
A question for all the Ward defenders...do you guys think this dude killed this old man in self defense? Do you think this murder could be justified in any way? I'm not even sure what you all are arguing at this point.
I see it like this from the facts known:
There is a scale from 1 to 100 as to what actually happened. On one end, this guy is a legitimate sociopath, has made a habit of targeting the weak when no one is watching, preyed upon this older gentleman, beat the absolute dogshit out of him, two neutral witnesses (say, the store owners) witnessed it, and ended his life. On the other end of the scale, this guy was drunk off his arse, was walking to or from a dicey area, was accosted by a group of seedy looking people at 1 AM, got into a shoving match, either punched or shoved and tripped a diabetic old guy in bad health hard enough that it caused ICH (remember, COD just specified blunt force trauma, and the witnesses are claiming the kick), and the two witnesses are the victims' friends. Orleans Parish is pushing 2nd degree murder for political reasons.
That second scenario scares the shite out of me because there is a lot of "But for the grace of God go I...". I can't tell you how many times that exact same thing could have played out for me in the dicier parts of Chicago in which I've walked around late at night.
Occam's Razor probably tells me that it happened somewhere between those scenarios, but that one scenario should scare the hell out of people.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:31 am to crazy4lsu
quote:I will give one, that could be entirely possivle even with the witnesseses
I'm not suggesting he should have left his guard down but there isn't a situation I've read in this thread that has yet to justify his behavior.
Jackson tells Ward "Give me your money or I will shoot you"
Witnesses are at a distance, they cant hear the conversation, only see ward and jackson in a non threatening manor next to each other
Ward punches jackson down. Jackson remains conscious. Ward continues to kick jackson because he believes he has a gun. Ward kicks him until he loses consciousness and immediately stops
In this case, what the witnesses said would be true, and I believe ward would be completely innocent
This is all very unlikely, but would be the only way I see this as a way for him to get off
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:34 am to lsupride87
If it was a robbery attempt, it would have come out by now, one would think, as Ward was initially arrested for the battery charge. Given how unlikely that is, I've still yet to hear one that doesn't make Ward seem like complete garbage.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:34 am to lsupride87
quote:
If I am approached by anyone while out at night in nola, I will be extremely vigilant as even the smallest weakest of people can pull a trigger......
Even if you were approached by this guy?
What about this guy?
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:34 am to crazy4lsu
quote:Not at all. It just means the cops didnt believe Wards story
If it was a robbery attempt, it would have come out by now, one would think, as Ward was initially arrested for the battery charge.
I am always amazed in these threads how much faith people put in the prosecutions side of the story (and law enforcements side) without first hearing anything from the defense
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 11:36 am
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:35 am to lsupride87
Running to hide afterwards will hurt any chance he has to make up a self-defense case I think.
Unless he says he was trying to hide in case Jackson woke up. But that's all unlikely as hell.
He was probably piss arse drunk, in a foul mood, and Jackson and him had words about something that set him off and it turned tragic.
Unless he says he was trying to hide in case Jackson woke up. But that's all unlikely as hell.
He was probably piss arse drunk, in a foul mood, and Jackson and him had words about something that set him off and it turned tragic.
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