re: Update: Alleged Perp in custody: Garret James Ward of BR for 2nd Degree murder

Like I said, Occam’s razor. This was already the simplest explanation to me regardless of what witnesses at the scene, that may or may not have been Red’s buddies, told police.

Let’s not act like witnesses lie
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“Yet Smith’s brother, 21-year-old Juwaun Jordan, who said he was one of the occupants in the vehicle, told KATV that officers shot arbitrarily, asserting, “They just pulled up, told us to get out, tussled with him, and they shot him and killed him.” He alleged Smith did not resist the officers and did not carry a gun, adding, "[The officer] just shot him five times. He couldn't move, he couldn't do nothing. He had three officers on top of him, so how was he moving?"”

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Well we don't know who the eyewitnesses were and who Garrett's little buddy was that Wasp is referring to.

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Agreed

I am just saying people are arrested even when they claim, or have others claming, they were being mugged

If the officer is hearing two different stories, he had a decision on who to beleive

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I doubt they arrest him if he defended himself in a mugging...

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Unless they have really strong evidence at the time it was self defense, they are going to arrest him.

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If the officer is hearing two different stories, he had a decision on who to beleive

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The only evidence for a different story is a random poster on tigerdroppings though

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Unless they have really strong evidence at the time it was self defense

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Which means if this mugging story is being told to police, the evidence didn't support it.

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Like I said, Occam’s razor.

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you keep using this word... i dont think you quite understand what it means...


occams razor says the dude was drunk and beat a 60 year old to death for no reason, as that is the most direct and easy way to explain what happend

occams razor doesnt say the dude was mugged as that is a much more complex story and needs way more things to line up.

come on man... get real

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That happens you know. It depends who the officer chooses to beleive

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Of course, but this is the first time we've heard anything from Ward's camp, and it's not clear if this is coming from Ward or someone who was with him.

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Which means if this mugging story is being told to police, the evidence didn't support it.

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It likely means the police didn't buy the story of the drunk guy that ran and hid from the scene of the old man lying dieing in the street. Correct.

Fully aware of confirmation bias. Given the facts and not hearsay:

Red: 60 year old black male who has been homeless and is currently living in gov housing
Ward: 25 year old white male college graduate and employed

Fight ensues at 130am and Ward is drunk. Red dies of blunt force trauma. Statistically, what happened?

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The only evidence for a different story is a random poster on tigerdroppings though

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I know

I am simply responding to slackster

He seemed to not think it was possible someone could be arrested for battery if they claim a mugging took place

At the time of the crime, you are getting arrested likely unless you have very solid evidence you acted in self defense. The burden of proof really is on you


Now, for indictment, the officers and state need not evidence

And for a conviction, the burden of proof shifts to them entirely