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re: Update: ALL RESCUED - Doctors Father Dies
Posted on 7/2/18 at 11:05 pm to lsuwontonwrap
Posted on 7/2/18 at 11:05 pm to lsuwontonwrap
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The group had been missing for nine days before they were found by divers late on Monday on a small dry ledge. Rescuers are now battling rising water to bring more supplies to the group. They may need to have food sent in for at least the next four months, according to the military.
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Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:44 am to tigerbutt
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Too much detail to post here but here's Cliffs' Notes:
1) Diving them out is considered a last-ditch effort due to muddy water and fast current. That isn't easy even for experienced divers.
2) Drilling boreholes is being looked into but is also risky b/c the space the kids are in is very small.
3) The best option might well be for them to get continuous supplies and just wait four months for monsoons to stop and water levels to drop back so they can just walk out. They'll get some dive training in case water levels rise and there's no other choice, but it's looking like they're going to settle in for awhile.
Too much detail to post here but here's Cliffs' Notes:
1) Diving them out is considered a last-ditch effort due to muddy water and fast current. That isn't easy even for experienced divers.
2) Drilling boreholes is being looked into but is also risky b/c the space the kids are in is very small.
3) The best option might well be for them to get continuous supplies and just wait four months for monsoons to stop and water levels to drop back so they can just walk out. They'll get some dive training in case water levels rise and there's no other choice, but it's looking like they're going to settle in for awhile.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 2:54 am to jbgleason
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The concept of diving into a flooded and unmapped cave complex with a limited air supply is something on which I will take a pass.
I don’t think you’re gonna find an argument with anyone here about this. Oweo or TH03. Maybe. But, this isn’t like instant shrimp and grits. There’s real consequences.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 5:11 am to jbgleason
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The concept of diving into a flooded and unmapped cave complex with a limited air supply is something on which I will take a pass.
Fortunately this particular cave complex is a popular one and a good bit of it is mapped. The rescuers specifically headed for this location figuring that is where the kids would probably be.
But people who go exploring in new caves probably have a low life expectancy. Yes, there are techniques they use to help with safety but it only has to fail once.
Edit - a quick trip around the Internet shows that in the past 30 years or so it's gotten much safer, mostly because heavy training is required in order to get certified.
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 5:22 am
Posted on 7/3/18 at 5:12 am to tigerbutt
Glad they’ve been found. It’s kind of ironic that an entire soccer team might have to dive.
This post was edited on 7/3/18 at 5:13 am
Posted on 7/3/18 at 5:18 am to foshizzle
quote:What a fricking nightmare
The best option might well be for them to get continuous supplies and just wait four months for monsoons to stop and water levels to drop back so they can just walk out. They'll get some dive training in case water levels rise and there's no other choice, but it's looking like they're going to settle in for awhile.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 5:57 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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What a fricking nightmare
If they stay in long enough, Antonio Banderas may play one of them in the movie.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 6:03 am to foshizzle
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But people who go exploring in new caves probably have a low life expectancy. Yes, there are techniques they use to help with safety but it only has to fail once.
Edit - a quick trip around the Internet shows that in the past 30 years or so it's gotten much safer, mostly because heavy training is required in order to get certified.
I'm a cave diver. Close friends are bonafide explorers (I'm hoping to get there someday.)
Exploring unknown underwater cave is not a death wish. It's actually a very low adrenaline activity, where cool calm and collected rule the day. We train and gear up expecting shite to go wrong and are prepared for multiple failures on any given dive.
That said, what these rescuers are doing is t a completely different level and I respect the hell out of them. Lessons learned during this rescue will be shared within the caving community at large to improve outcomes in the future.
Lesson for the general public is to always be prepared when entering an underground system. Where proper exposure protection, food water extra lights/batteries, let someone know where you are going, and check the regional weather before entering.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 6:08 am to tigerbutt
Note to self.Stay out of Caves.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 10:43 am to tigerbutt
The Brits who got to the boys had a very long and dangerous trek inside the cave.
They are experienced and have saved other lives. A really good read about people doing one thing really, really well
They are experienced and have saved other lives. A really good read about people doing one thing really, really well
Posted on 7/3/18 at 10:45 am to tigerbutt
Posted on 7/4/18 at 1:11 am to Wtodd
Any updates?
Posted on 7/4/18 at 1:37 am to 5 Deep
I just did a quick Google to check. Nothing new to report. I did see an article that said if the boys were to swim out, some of the passages will be so narrow that they will be forced to swim alone - -swimming in a passage so narrow it can barely accommodate a skinny teenaged kid. Nope nope
Other option is to wait till October for the water to subside. shite.
I think I would have already panicked and died from fright if I were one of those kids. When I was 13 or 14 I went on a family trip with some of my cousins to Mammoth Caves in KY and I freaked out in the part of the tour where the lights are turned off in order to expose you to complete darkness. I didn't like any of that cave shite, but that part caused me to lose it.
Those poor kids. Praying for their sanity and safety.
Other option is to wait till October for the water to subside. shite.
I think I would have already panicked and died from fright if I were one of those kids. When I was 13 or 14 I went on a family trip with some of my cousins to Mammoth Caves in KY and I freaked out in the part of the tour where the lights are turned off in order to expose you to complete darkness. I didn't like any of that cave shite, but that part caused me to lose it.
Those poor kids. Praying for their sanity and safety.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 1:42 am to HaveMercy
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-swimming in a passage so narrow it can barely accommodate a skinny teenaged kid. Nope nope
Other option is to wait till October for the water to subside. Shi
Couldn't they run a long oxygen tank tube and also tie a rope to each child? They can make sure they know how to breathe through the oxygen and then they could pull them through with a rope.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 1:50 am to tiggerthetooth
I have no clue - but the article quoted one of the rescue divers saying that panic and adrenaline aren't allowed in this scenerio. The passages are too narrow, the water too murky, and the currents are too swift.
I tried to link the article with no success.
I tried to link the article with no success.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 1:55 am to HaveMercy
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I have no clue - but the article quoted one of the rescue divers saying that panic and adrenaline aren't allowed in this scenerio. The passages are too narrow, the water too murky, and the currents are too swift.
I mean, these cave diver guys seem to specialize in breathing systems:
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He told the Sunday Times magazine in 2013: 'Panic and adrenaline are great in certain situations but not in cave-diving. What you want is nice and boring. 'If something goes wrong 10 kilometres down an underwater tunnel, you usually have until your air runs out to find a solution or make your peace.' In 2004 Mr Volanthen and Mr Stanton set a new record after cave-diving 76 meters (249ft). The pair broke the previous record, set in 2003, by 5.5 metres (18ft) thanks to a breathing system they developed for the attempt at Wookey Hole in Somerset.
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'Both John Volanthen and Rick Stanton are highly accomplished caver divers who have set achievements within a number of major cave systems around Europe ... they specialise in rebreather technology that is ideally suited for the situation faced in the Thai cave system.'
Posted on 7/4/18 at 2:40 am to tiggerthetooth
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panic and adrenaline aren't allowed in this scenario
Benzos, son
Posted on 7/4/18 at 2:41 am to gazelles
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Benzos, son
Thats what I was thinking. Find a way to drug each kid and drag their arse through.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 4:36 am to tiggerthetooth
i was thinking about the narrow spots. You know they might be talking about long narrow areas...like 50 yards or so....that would make it almost impossible.
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