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re: Update: ALL RESCUED - Doctors Father Dies
Posted on 7/6/18 at 5:00 pm to Jim Rockford
Posted on 7/6/18 at 5:00 pm to Jim Rockford
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I'm assuming they came in via a different route that's impassable now
I've been under the assumption the cave hasn't changed other than the flooding, but maybe it has.
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 5:03 pm to slackster
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I've been under the assumption the cave hasn't changed other than the flooding, but maybe it has.
It may not have changed, but maybe the original entrance has too much current or somesuch. I'm just speculating.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 5:08 pm to Jim Rockford
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It may not have changed, but maybe the original entrance has too much current or somesuch. I'm just speculating.
The cave is part of the Dharma Initiative and has shapeshifted a number of times. Locke is going to be the one to rescue the kids.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 5:10 pm to Jim Rockford
Yeah I've read bits and pieces but that's the thing that I can't resolve. Not sure how you get a group of kids 2.5 miles into a cave when there are parts you can't fit a scuba tank and diver through. I'm sure there's some explanation.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 5:11 pm to slackster
Go to almost any Daily Mail link, they have a map showing the parts of the cave that are flooded. Pumping has removed water but not the water that has filled the largest pool which has the cave ceiling SUBMERGED for several hundred feet.
You can't scuba where there is no air space, just a gentle reminder.
Another gentle reminder: what a monsoon is. In areas where the rain comes as monsoons, there is almost no rain for a large part of the year. Then the rain starts and continues and is heavy.
Another reminder: what we call a forest in the eastern US has trees and an understory that can be walked through. Many of our forests are inches of topsoil above solid rock. In tropical forests...we need to call them what they are: jungles. Jungles with wild animals, massive amounts of soil that have weathered from the rocks that made the mountain the boys are under. That soil shifts, and washed down hill. Some is running into that cave, and is why the cave has a lot of clays, and murky water.
Jungles have heavy plant growth and lots of water running through soil. There may be vertical cracks that are feeding water into the cave; we know there are, the water rose so much at the "Beach" at which they were found, that they had to abandon that and go deeper into the cave where there was a higher shelf where they are now.
You can't scuba where there is no air space, just a gentle reminder.
Another gentle reminder: what a monsoon is. In areas where the rain comes as monsoons, there is almost no rain for a large part of the year. Then the rain starts and continues and is heavy.
Another reminder: what we call a forest in the eastern US has trees and an understory that can be walked through. Many of our forests are inches of topsoil above solid rock. In tropical forests...we need to call them what they are: jungles. Jungles with wild animals, massive amounts of soil that have weathered from the rocks that made the mountain the boys are under. That soil shifts, and washed down hill. Some is running into that cave, and is why the cave has a lot of clays, and murky water.
Jungles have heavy plant growth and lots of water running through soil. There may be vertical cracks that are feeding water into the cave; we know there are, the water rose so much at the "Beach" at which they were found, that they had to abandon that and go deeper into the cave where there was a higher shelf where they are now.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 5:12 pm to Ryan3232
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Not an 11 year old boy who probably cant swim too well
Don’t be racist, bro. They’re Chinese, not black.
This post was edited on 7/6/18 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 7/6/18 at 5:12 pm to real turf fan
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You can't scuba where there is no air space, just a gentle reminder.
Why?
Serious question. I don't know anything about scuba diving.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 5:15 pm to slackster
quote:It's possible. I went to the Cango Caves in South Africa and there were a few tight spots we had to squeeze through; lots of groups made it through.
Not sure how you get a group of kids 2.5 miles into a cave when there are parts you can't fit a scuba tank and diver through. I'm sure there's some explanation.
this person's blog link from the google shows the tight openings
This post was edited on 7/6/18 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 7/6/18 at 5:17 pm to real turf fan
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You can't scuba where there is no air space, just a gentle reminder.
what???
Posted on 7/6/18 at 5:28 pm to MoarKilometers
Scuba with air tanks on your back...there's also scuba/snorkling with air coming a couple of inches above your head.
These kids couldn't swim, or dive.
They are still very young boys and could squeeze through vertical and horizontal openings that football linemen couldn't begin to get through.
Expecting someone who's never had air tanks on their backs before to swim in a situation where the tanks are hitting rocks above them (and not knocking their breathing lines lose....
These kids couldn't swim, or dive.
They are still very young boys and could squeeze through vertical and horizontal openings that football linemen couldn't begin to get through.
Expecting someone who's never had air tanks on their backs before to swim in a situation where the tanks are hitting rocks above them (and not knocking their breathing lines lose....
Posted on 7/6/18 at 5:45 pm to Hot Carl
quote:They arent even Chinese
Don’t be racist, bro. They’re Chinese, not black.
I did laugh though
Posted on 7/6/18 at 5:47 pm to Ryan3232
Yeah I know. Dumbass.
They’re Thainese
They’re Thainese
Posted on 7/6/18 at 5:47 pm to Ryan3232
So rains predicted for later today, no? I can’t even imagine how awful the parents must feel right now. Sorry to hear about the diver that passed.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 5:48 pm to MoarKilometers
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quote: You can't scuba where there is no air space, just a gentle reminder.
[quote] what???
I think he meant snorkel. But anyways, I do believe they’re are contemplating using rebreathers which would only be a mask, not a whole scuba tank. Either way, rebreathers are not as easy as putting on and breathing. I really don’t know as I haven’t done it, just requoting what I’ve read.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 5:53 pm to tgrbaitn08
The guys that went in there and are staying with the boys are as noble and courageous as it gets.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 6:31 pm to When in Rome
Yeah I've seen parts of caves like that. I guess I was envisioning a hole that was only accessible by water, something you'd have to climb to when it's dry.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 6:32 pm to When in Rome
Are those pics the same path the boys would have to scuba (underwater and presumably mostly dark) to get out of there?
Posted on 7/6/18 at 6:40 pm to GeeOH
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That coach that led the down there needs to be shot
Don't be so quick to judge. That cave complex is a tourist attraction and the team had been there a good half dozen times before as a team-building exercise. Mostly they just had bad luck.
Posted on 7/6/18 at 6:42 pm to slackster
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I've been snorkeling in a cave and they had cable guides for scuba divers. Seems plausible.
It's not a motherfricking 10 ft wide cave, its narrow passages between larger openings. You cant see in most spots which is why they've used a guide wire since the 1st day. Do you really think someone here has thought of an idea that they havent?
A retired navy seal and 30 year EXPERT diver died yesterday. If those kids are rushed into doing this, panic will set in under water and deaths will occur
Posted on 7/6/18 at 6:48 pm to GeeOH
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Drill into the biggest cavern along the route. Hole can also be used for MASSIVE VOLUME pumps to empty part of the flooded spots that is between the kids and the hole.
What generators can be sited that have the power to lift a MASSIVE VOLUME of water several hundred feet vertically that quickly?
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