re: Update: ALL RESCUED - Doctors Father Dies

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I've been snorkeling in a cave and they had cable guides for scuba divers. Seems plausible.

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Were you also dealing with zero visibility and fast currents due to recent monsoons?

Point of order.

Many Thai people believe that some of the ethnic groups in Thailand are Chinese, specifically Thai mountain people who are thought to have migrated from northern China and there is some genetic info to support their beliefs.

keep us posted

Expecting someone who's never had air tanks on their backs before to swim in a situation where the tanks are hitting rocks above them (and not knocking their breathing lines lose....


That's why they will use 2 rescue divers per kid....they will either buddy breath (in this case 2 regulators coming off one tank) or carry the kids tank for them.

The ONLY good news is that there are some openings along the way that have air where they can rest or whatever.

I'm firm on my prediction..if they have to swim out with those kids, I feel there will be more deaths.

Dont forget the worst part when someone is drowning, they panic and grab others, many time ripping their regulators out of the helpers mouth.

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It's not a motherfricking 10 ft wide cave, its narrow passages between larger openings. You cant see in most spots which is why they've used a guide wire since the 1st day. Do you really think someone here has thought of an idea that they havent?
A retired navy seal and 30 year EXPERT diver died yesterday. If those kids are rushed into doing this, panic will set in under water and deaths will occur

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, you're wayyyyy too emotional in this thread pal.

I put a tank on for the first time in a swimming pool and damn near had a panic attack. I cannot imagine these kids pulling it off.

I dove Cenote Dos Ojos (cavern diving) in Mexico and definitely felt some slight panic at first, when knowing that the cave roof was under water for the majority of the dive and therefore that I’d have to swim horizontally before being able to go up and be able to breathe freely again if something happened, along with navigating some tighter spaces without hitting walls or columns with my tank. I can’t imagine adding poor visibility and spaces so tight you have to remove your tank to the equation. I will say one thing I haven’t seen brought up is that when I was younger I was a lot more fearless-this could help if they do decide to go the diving route. I didn’t overthink things nearly as much as I do now when I was doing riskier things (diving included) when I was younger. Maybe these boys won’t either

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Are those pics the same path the boys would have to scuba (underwater and presumably mostly dark) to get out of there?

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No...someone just asked how the boys could have gotten so far into the cave with openings so narrow that an adult with a scuba tank couldn’t fit. I was pointing out by showing pictures of another tourist cave how it’s possible. They probably climbed through tight spaces similar to those in the picture, which later filled with water.

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I thought they were using masks for the kids not breathers.

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I don't think anyone here knows the actual plan they will move forward with, but last I heard they were planning to use full face masks on the kids. Thought is that would be easier/safer for a non-diver as they don't have to learn to use a typical regulator. I also do not think they plan to fit the kids with their own tanks but instead will have them breathing off of the rescue diver's long hose.

There are extra tanks staged throughout the cave as safety bottles.

The actual cave divers involved in the rescue and probably some of the Navy divers are on rebreathers.

Someone above mentioned not needing scuba tanks with a rebreather...that's not actually correct. Rebreathers are a closed system, allowing you to conserve gas, but you will still need a small O2 tank (2-3 liters) and another tank, usually filled with air, to inflate your wing (buoyancy device). They also require what we call "bailout" gas...that's what you breath when your breather has a non-recoverable failure. Needs to be enough gas to get you to either the surface or a safety bottle.

Technically they are using up the available oxygen...still plenty of air there ;) Atmospheric air has 21% O2, and I've read that there were at 15% in there.

To combat this they have brought in supplemental oxygen tanks and are trying to run a line/hose to supply the room they are in.

Here's an article with some up to date info: ABC Link