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re: UPDATE 4/26 -Just In Case the OT Didn't Know - The UK is murdering a little baby right now

Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:05 am to
Posted by Spasweezy
Unfortunately, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2014
7253 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:05 am to
They would have to kill me in order to stop me from getting my child on that air transport to Italy.
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47827 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:05 am to
This might be the most unreal breach of personal liberty a western government has performed on its own citizens in the public sphere I have born witness to in my time on earth.

This story is fricked on every single level imaginable.
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 8:36 pm
Posted by NaturalBeam
Member since Sep 2007
14994 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:06 am to
Live updates This account and the updates pretty much just stick to the facts. Even taking the emotional heart tugs that bother you out, can anyone defend not letting parents take their kid to another doctor/hospital that is willing to treat him?
Posted by terd ferguson
Darren Wilson Fan Club President
Member since Aug 2007
114938 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:06 am to
So Google his name... it's the same story. A judge made his mind up and is too proud to change it now. As a result, he's killing a child.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:06 am to
quote:

This article is just hyperbolic heart string tugging. I'd like to actually read a non biased account.


Stand in recess, folks, until Judge 03 here gives us his ruling.
Posted by Barbellthor
Columbia
Member since Aug 2015
11295 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:06 am to
I feel like I don't need to know the uniquenesses of UK law to know that, as a general rule of thumb, people ought to be unrestrained in withdrawing their child from the care of a facility which wants to WITHHOLD treatment in order to bring their child to a facility of their choice which will take them and PROVIDE treatment.

What we have here is forced non-treatment or non-action, at the point of a gun, which is as bad if not worse than forced action at the point of a gun.
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19467 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:07 am to
Are you fricking for real dude? Yeah it's emotionally written, so what, it's an emotional story.

But if you must have them, the facts are written in numbered order right above your post.
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47827 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:07 am to
As far as I can tell, the UK doctors can't even give a proper diagnosis. Everything calls it a "mystery brain condition"


Suffice to say if that's the best the doctors can tell me and I end up in a position where 30 armed guards stand in the way of me getting my kid to healthcare, I'm likely to get arrested.
Posted by terd ferguson
Darren Wilson Fan Club President
Member since Aug 2007
114938 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:07 am to
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They would have to kill me in order to stop me from getting my child on that air transport to Italy.



They have supporters... time to storm the fricking hospital. Let the police decide if they're willing to stop it.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
172004 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:07 am to
Sounds like the 1989 act is the fricked up part.

This kid probably doesn't have much of a chance at life, but the law takes that decision away from the parents which is fricked up.
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19467 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:09 am to
you truly are a massive piece of shite
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58521 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:09 am to
quote:

13. If Alfie dies, Italy will file a formal complaint with the EU of murder of an ITalian citizen by a foreign government.
that is what is a great move by Italy. and i hope this is what is the straw that breaks the EU.
Posted by LSUGUMBO
Shreveport, LA
Member since Sep 2005
9774 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:09 am to
What else is there to read? Parents want to do everything they can to try and save their child, but the government has basically decided that he’s not worth saving

Fox News

quote:

Under British law, it is common for courts to intervene when parents and doctors disagree on the treatment of a child. In such cases, the rights of the child take primacy over the parents' right to decide what's best for their offspring.


Absolutely ridiculous.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
172004 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:09 am to
I looked up other articles.

Didn't know that wanting emotion taken out of the story makes me such an arse.

So many women on this board.
Posted by gringeaux
DFW
Member since Oct 2008
2013 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:09 am to
quote:

The parents asked the UK to let them take him to Italy


This is what I don't understand about this case. Why do the parents have to ask to leave the country?
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47827 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:10 am to
The Italy angle removes all moral high ground that the UK can claim

SFP made the point excellently earlier

the UK claims the problem is the kid might die during transport (unlikely because he's lived over a day now without life support)

but the issue is they claim this as they turned the machines off that are sustaining his life

what sense does any of that make?
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19467 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:10 am to
quote:

This is what I don't understand about this case. Why do the parents have to ask to leave the country?


The UK has actually forced them at gunpoint to stay at the hospital in the UK.
Posted by Displaced
Member since Dec 2011
33051 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:10 am to
quote:

Didn't know that wanting emotion taken out of the story makes me such an arse.

So many women on this board.


Bingo, you aren't wrong.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
172004 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:11 am to
How in the frick?

Stop being such a pussy. I asked for facts.

Facts are this 1989 child act allows the government to intervene if they think it prevents the child harm. Leaving the parents powerless.

That is absolutely fricked legistlation and the judge acting on it is fricked as well.

How in the world does that make me a POS?
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47827 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:12 am to
quote:

That is absolutely fricked legistlation and the judge acting on it is fricked as well.




it's a good example of what happens when a government has too much power over the citizenry

also worth noting that I think this kid was given 15 minutes to live once they cut off life support and it's been at least a day (maybe two?)

A video is out there of Alfie being responsive to stimuli as well (sucking on a pacifier and pupils dilating and the such). It's hard to watch that and not get really pissed off tbh.
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 9:14 am
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