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re: United's dragged passenger hires high-powered Chicago personal injury lawyer

Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:24 am to
Posted by Pecker
Rocky Top
Member since May 2015
16674 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:24 am to
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Well you go fly United, I'll take my business elsewhere like most other people will. There's your market competition.




Yeah, that's how the free market works. I'm glad you understand that. I was making the point that having options is a good thing. Competition improves the market. You're agreeing with me in an attempt to refute what I said.
This post was edited on 4/12/17 at 9:30 am
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
26330 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:25 am to
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If you lease an apartment, can the owner come to your house one day, and tell you that you have to get out of the apartment immediately and either can't ever return or can't return for a certain period of time?


Depends on the terms of the lease agreement. But there's also eviction laws that state the legal reasons that a landlord can evict you for and the required notice time. Apples and oranges compared to being bumped from a flight
Posted by UAinSOUTHAL
Mobile,AL
Member since Dec 2012
5338 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:25 am to
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quote: Where? Not being a dick- I'm legit wondering if I missed something here. The overbooking policy clearly outlines a process for choosing someone to remove if no one volunteers


Yeah except this flight wasn't overbooked it was fully booked and that is a huge difference. Guy is going to get paid because United violated regulations and I think they know they did. That would explain the CEO's change in tone yesterday afternoon.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21842 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:26 am to
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But signing a 12 month apartment lease is apples and oranges to buying an airline ticket.


So you signed a contract where that gave you priveleges per contract to stay on someone else's property- and that contract protected you in case the landlord decided to boot you out for a BS reason, right?
Posted by Tiger in NY
Neptune Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2003
31666 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:27 am to
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Have you ever leased an apt?


You keep saying this. Many of your normal constitutional rights are waived when you fly. I was partly joking before, but the Patriot Act made it illegal to not comply on an airplane.

people kissing on plane face terrorism charges

It gives them almost unlimited authority
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21842 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:28 am to
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was partly joking before, but the Patriot Act made it illegal to not comply on an airplane.


To lawful commands. You think a judge would rule this lawful when he has a valid contract that he hasn't breached?

ETA: this might have something to do with your couples legal problems

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According to the indictment filed by the FBI, both Persing and Sewell were observed nuzzling and Persing was seen kissing Sewell on the neck. In addition, Persing was apparently witnessed with his face pressed against Sewell's vaginal area, while Sewell was observed smiling.
This post was edited on 4/12/17 at 9:31 am
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
89823 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:28 am to
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I hope that guy bankrupts those bastards.


He won't himself.

But I could certainly see him being the catalyst for it happening. The PR hit they're taking is a nightmare.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:29 am to
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But signing a 12 month apartment lease is apples and oranges to buying an airline ticket.
Why?
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
26330 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:30 am to
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So you signed a contract where that gave you priveleges per contract to stay on someone else's property- and that contract protected you in case the landlord decided to boot you out for a BS reason, right?




Leases are almost always contracts that protect the owner, not the renter. But yes, the lease should outline the conditions that either party could terminate the lease under. However, there's also legal eviction process if you're being involuntarily asked to move out of an apartment and the tenant and a legal required length of notice for an eviction. None of that is applicable in a carriage contract for an airline flight ticket
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:30 am to
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Depends on the terms of the lease agreement. But there's also eviction laws that state the legal reasons that a landlord can evict you for and the required notice time. Apples and oranges compared to being bumped from a flight

And if the landlord attempts to kick you out for reasons not stated in the legal reasons...then what?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:31 am to
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but the Patriot Act made it illegal to not comply on an airplane.
So they can LITERALLY ask you to do whatever they want, is that what you're saying?
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
9322 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:31 am to
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We do know, UA said the flight was full, not overbooked.


Since the seats needed were for employees that needed to be on it, it was technically overbooked and not full. Those employees had precedent. I know United said it was just full.

Chicago is a major United base where they keep reserve staff. They bump passengers on full flights all the time for staffing issues. They are compensated for it.

The only difference here was a passenger was already seated. Boarding wasn't complete because the final manifest wasn't finalize and given to the captain/FO.

Yall went all night on this
Posted by Tiger in NY
Neptune Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2003
31666 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:32 am to
Oh what, so it is now illegal to eat out your gf on a plane? I thought this was America?
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21842 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:33 am to
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However, there's also legal eviction process if you're being involuntarily asked to move out of an apartment and the tenant and a legal required length of notice for an eviction.


That's true. So what part of the contract that the airline and passenger signed did the passenger break to cause him to be forcibly removed?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:33 am to
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there's also legal eviction process if you're being involuntarily asked to move out of an apartment and the tenant and a legal required length of notice for an eviction. None of that is applicable in a carriage contract for an airline flight ticket
There's also a legal process that lays out legal reasons UA can remove this person from the flight. They cannot remove him for ANY reason they want, so how is it not applicable?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:34 am to
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Since the seats needed were for employees that needed to be on it, it was technically overbooked
United Airlines disagrees with you, and if anyone would want to say it was overbooked, that would be UA.

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I know United said it was just full.
Why? Why would UA NOT say it was overbooked?
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21842 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:35 am to
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Since the seats needed were for employees that needed to be on it, it was technically overbooked and not full.


For the fourth time here...

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United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said Tuesday that all 70 seats on United Express Flight 3411 were filled, but the plane was not overbooked as the airline previously reported. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines, which operated the flight, selected four passengers to be removed to accommodate crew members needed in Louisville the next day.


LINK
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21842 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:35 am to
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what, so it is now illegal to eat out your gf on a plane? I thought this was America?


It used to be .
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
26330 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:36 am to
Why is an apartment lease and an airline ticket apples and oranges? Man, if you can't figure that out then there's little I can do to help you.

One involves a long term agreement to occupy a piece of immovable property as a residence. The other is a one time transportation agreement. Both have completely different legally permissible options for the owner/company to "re-accommodate" you.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:36 am to
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Oh what, so it is now illegal to eat out your gf on a plane? I thought this was America?



The correct absurd hypothetical based on your post is if UA told you you HAD to eat out your gf on the plane, they have the authority to make you do it, and if not, they can kick you off of the plane.
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