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re: UNH's UnitedHealth CEO shot and killed

Posted on 12/5/24 at 9:03 am to
Posted by BourreTheDog
Member since May 2016
2776 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 9:03 am to
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That's not even it. Those companies being the largest shareholders have enough pull to get him replaced if they really wanted to. To think they'd risk offing him on a public street in NYC is just kind of silly.


Ask yourself why MSM is silent about this hit? This was done so he didn’t even consider turning….

Who’s the money behind big Pharma? Why was ObamaCare shoved down our throats? Follow the money

Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
74629 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 9:04 am to
Every single insurance entity, both private and govt, denies certain claims.

Are the people on this board advocating for the murder of, for example, the Louisiana Medicaid director? Medicaid, like private insurance, will deny claims at times.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
Member since Feb 2009
57226 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 9:12 am to
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Are the people on this board advocating for the murder of, for example, the Louisiana Medicaid director? Medicaid, like private insurance, will deny claims at times.




Sure seems like it.
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
104464 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 9:14 am to
I guarantee you that BC BS will reverse their morally evil anesthesia policy by the end of the week. I guarantee it.
Posted by A12 Oxcart
On the float out in the Belt
Member since Dec 2022
1278 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 9:19 am to
There can be a big difference between fully-insured and self-insured arrangements. A lot of mid-size and large employers self-insure.

What some perceive as an evil insurance company denying coverage may actually be an employer mandate to said insurance company.

An employer who self-insures their employees can have a lot of control over setting limits on what is covered and what is not.
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
26799 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 10:28 am to
Thinking he gets caught now that they have surveillance videos with his whole face

Posted by WW
Member since Dec 2013
2598 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 10:37 am to
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I guarantee you that BC BS will reverse their morally evil anesthesia policy by the end of the week. I guarantee it.

They are denying the provider payment, not the patient coverage.
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
57266 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 10:39 am to
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They are denying the provider payment, not the patient coverage.


You're going to make heads explode with this one. They don't understand the difference between an authorization denial and a claim denial and now you introduce this?
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
132410 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 10:41 am to
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They are denying the provider payment, not the patient coverage.


This

They are essentially just capping what they will pay for anesthesia for whatever procedure and providers will just have to eat it

No different than just telling a primary care doc you now get $75 for a visit instead of $100

Patients wont have to pay more
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 10:42 am
Posted by Rick9Plus
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2020
2538 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 10:42 am to
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They are denying the provider payment, not the patient coverage.


But do we really want providers rushing through surgery like they are driving down the interstate with the runs?
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
57266 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 10:46 am to
They won't, they really can't. If a provider really could expedite their cases they would so they could turn more beds. They'll just find another way to upcode something else to off-set the reduction.

Posted by WW
Member since Dec 2013
2598 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 10:48 am to
These standards exist for everything everywhere in Healthcare.
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
57266 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 10:48 am to
Or, like they do with some eye surgeries, they'll split the procedure into two encounters so they can get paid twice for one eye rather than once on both eyes.
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 10:49 am
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
23461 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 10:49 am to
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They won't, they really can't. If a provider really could expedite their cases they would so they could turn more beds


If providers are already going as fast as they can, what's the purpose of Anthem BCBS capping anesthesia coverage based on a time table? Seems like the only answer left is "make more money"
Posted by 62Tigerfan
Member since Sep 2015
5379 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 10:51 am to
I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out someone he knows very well arranged for this, and that it has nothing to do with someone getting fricked over on their insurance coverage.
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
57266 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 10:53 am to
Their way to combat up-coding.

Ask any CRNA here how many times they work a case then then they add and MD to a chart that never set foot in the OR so they can be paid a higher rate.

It's not really a 1 to 1 causation but more of a constant battle between providers trying to maximize payment on every claim and a health plan trying to reduce costs. It's an evil game that catches patients in the middle.
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 10:55 am
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
132410 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 10:53 am to
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But do we really want providers rushing through surgery like they are driving down the interstate with the runs?


The surgeon doesnt give a frick. His reimbursement doesnt change

Unless its a private surgical center where the surgeon gets a cut of anesthesia fees
Posted by ghost2most
Member since Mar 2012
7998 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 10:54 am to
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Can I also note the major overlap between people celebrating targeted assassination of a health insurance exec and those who have defended terrorist groups like Hamas?



Wrong.

Hate Hamas.Kill them all.
Don't condone murder of slimy CEOs of predatory companies but I'm not shedding any tears either. Assassin should be caught and prosecuted. But I hope (doubt) it serves as a wakeup call to these slimy companies henchmen.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
40657 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:00 am to
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Our founding fathers would be split on this. You don't have the clear moral high ground that you think you do.



i don't know, the founding fathers were all aristocrats. I doubt any of them would support a slaver owner getting murdered

the closest thing any of them faced to this would be Lafayette fleeing France during the Jacobin reign of terror.
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 11:01 am
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
104464 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 11:03 am to
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You're going to make heads explode with this one. They don't understand the difference between an authorization denial and a claim denial and now you introduce this?


This is an instance where you think you're so much more informed than me, but really you're just simping for big healthcare.
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