re: ULM Student Accused of Rape

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Just out of curiosity, if there were multiple chances for her to leave and she stayed, would it cease to be rape in anyone’s estimation? I surely hope no one has that view, but if they do, I’d ask if it would remain their view if it was their daughter, sister, or loved one...

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No, I just think that asking that question to understand the victim's mentality at the time is valuable information.

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victim's mentality at the time

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Probably that she was watching a movie with a friend she trusted. She was fine with kissing, but said no when he wanted more. She probably got confused because why is my friend not taking no for an answer. She probably thought well, I know him, he'll stop. But then he never did. And probably before the thought entered her mind that she needed to leave, he was forcing himself on her.

Y'all act like this shite is proper like he's all "I'm going to rape you now" and she had a chance to go "no thanks, I'm leaving now."

Surely y'all could have found something to be more productive on today?

That’s not the goal post. There are people here who assume the rape yet still question her actions as if those a responsible for the guy sticking it in when she didn’t want it.

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This one seems pretty cut and dry though, so y'all are applying skepticism to seemingly the wrong case.

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ALL cases need to viewed skeptically. Even the ones that seem to be open and shut or cut and dry.

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If it's unwanted, it probably is.

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This is where we disagree. And this is the crux of the problem. The IFs. I can handle someone touching me, even if it's unwanted. Some people can't. And some people need to be the victim.

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It serves no purpose but to put responsibility on the victim.

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I disagree. It gives you a glimpse into how they got from a movie and chilling to a rape accusation. Those two things seem diametrically opposed. Maybe this is a pattern of behavior for him. Maybe he misunderstood her cues. There's a whole of IFs and MAYBEs.

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It said she told her parents and counselors within 1-3 weeks. I'm not going to really question the time table of someone who was raped by a close friend they've known forever. I could only imagine the conflicting thoughts that ran through her head.

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Probably. But, probably isn't good enough. If you're going to accuse a guy of rape and he's going to jail for a long time, then all of the information needs to be available.

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Please elaborate.

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That type of information can be valuable in either refuting a claim of impropriety or can help to develop a profile for future rape allegations or could help in preventing future rapes. I'm trying to assess this in the most clinical way possible with absolutely no implications that her not leaving means that it was her fault. I'm simply saying that the more information we have, the better. That's all.

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Are you an investigator now?

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So because I'm not a detective I can't attempt to attain the same information?

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There are people here who assume the rape yet still question her actions as if those a responsible for the guy sticking it in when she didn’t want it.

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Well, that's not me so go after them about that.

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why didn't she get up and leave?

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She wasn't prepared for the situation and froze in her actions.

Imagine if that was your daughter, sister, mother etc. would you be asking why she didn't "just leave"?

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ALL cases need to viewed skeptically. Even the ones that seem to be open and shut or cut and dry. 

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Eh that's for the cops and prosecutors and jury. I'm just gonna call a spade a spade on this specific case.

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Maybe he misunderstood her cues

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Saying no 20 times?

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If you're going to accuse a guy of rape and he's going to jail for a long time, then all of the information needs to be available.

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And I'm sure it is to the prosecutors. I don't think they'd bring these charges without sufficient evidence.