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re: Uber Halts Autonomous-Car Testing After Fatal Arizona Crash
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:07 am to shel311
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:07 am to shel311
quote:once the human is told the robot is driving of course they're no longer as vigilant as before.
talking about things the robot can't do while posting about the human driver texting and playing games on his phone without even realizing his frick up there
See psychology 101
This post was edited on 3/20/18 at 10:08 am
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Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:12 am to CAD703X
quote:It doesn't, but troll away!!
thousands of years and billions of humans prove it.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:13 am to CAD703X
quote:Still irrelevant to the OP since early indications state that neither human or self driving car had time to react.
once the human is told the robot is driving of course they're no longer as vigilant as before.
See psychology 101
But hey, it's those pesky facts again.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:15 am to MontyFranklyn
The news said she the cyclist was in the wrong and not where she was supposed to be.
If someone walks on a train track and gets hit, is it the trains fault?
If someone walks on a train track and gets hit, is it the trains fault?
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:21 am to TheCaterpillar
A. It was dark.
B. You'll never know if there were context clues such as a light on the bicycle flashing in the dark that an alert human would have noticed several seconds before or movement they caught out if the corner of their eye prior to the bike rolling out into the road.
The point is the human was not aware the same way a regular driver would be. Who knows what nonsense they would have to do to regain control from the robot even if they WERE paying attention. Even one additional step could be the difference between life and death.
B. You'll never know if there were context clues such as a light on the bicycle flashing in the dark that an alert human would have noticed several seconds before or movement they caught out if the corner of their eye prior to the bike rolling out into the road.
The point is the human was not aware the same way a regular driver would be. Who knows what nonsense they would have to do to regain control from the robot even if they WERE paying attention. Even one additional step could be the difference between life and death.
This post was edited on 3/20/18 at 10:23 am
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:23 am to CAD703X
quote:Well, we may very well find that out, no reason to think we'll "never know"
B. You'll never know if there were context clues such as a light on the bicycle flashing in the dark that an alert human would have noticed several seconds before.
quote:That the human and robot didn't have enough time to react, thus making every post you made in this thread LOL worthy.
The point is
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:24 am to CAD703X
quote:
ive been in the software development business for 30+ years and currently responsible for helping to keep a system running that serves 5 million users that requires a slew of weekly patches to keep running.
i wouldn't trust a self-driving car to successfully navigate a pothole ridden street in NOLA without breaking an axle much less turn one loose on the general population.
the number of things that can go wrong here are astounding.
You appear to be arguing from a well of ignorance dawg, let me help: the sensor arrays combo’d with the software on these cars can already drive circles around you in virtually any test you could throw at it. Not only can they “see” everything you can, but they can see a shitload of stuff you can’t. Your driving skill, cat-like reflexes, and Genious brain have already been insanely surpassed my dude.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:25 am to weedGOKU666
quote:Pretty amazing that this dude has been in software development for 30 years and has all these strong opinions without even realizing these cars can have sensors on the left and right side and not just front and back.
You appear to be arguing from a well of ignorance dawg, let me help: the sensor arrays combo’d with the software on these cars can already drive circles around you in virtually any test you could throw at it. Not only can they “see” everything you can, but they can see a shitload of stuff you can’t. Your driving skill, cat-like reflexes, and Genious brain have already been insanely surpassed my dude.
This post was edited on 3/20/18 at 10:26 am
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:26 am to weedGOKU666
quote:
wouldn't trust a self-driving car to successfully navigate a pothole ridden street in NOLA without breaking an axle much less turn one loose on the general population. the number of things that can go wrong here are astounding.
Guaranteed this is what was said 110 years ago when the first automobiles started hitting the roads. See how that turned out?
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:26 am to shel311
quote:how??? Too late for human observation of the situation prior to the accident.
Well, we may very well find that out, no reason to think we'll "never know"
You can't recreate the billion different things a human brain processes every second.
You're content to say Bike Wrong Robot Right. The End.
I sure as hell don't want to live in your black and white world.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:27 am to CAD703X
quote:
Who knows what nonsense they would have to do to regain control from the robot even if they WERE paying attention
I've read it is like cruise control and one tap on the brakes gives control back...not sure in this situation though.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:27 am to shel311
quote:lol human wasn't driving lol so we'll never know lol will we lol?
That the human and robot didn't have enough time to react, thus making every post you made in this thread LOL worthy.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:28 am to CAD703X
quote:I'm content going off of reports from experts who know more about this incident than you or myself.
You're content to say Bike Wrong Robot Right. The End.
You're content to make up stories to fit your agenda.
That's why you're failing in this thread.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:29 am to CAD703X
quote:So the humans you advocate for so badly wasn't paying attention(made up on your part)
lol human wasn't driving lol so we'll never know lol will we lol?
You're arguing yourself in circles and now trying to tell us how badly the human fricked up while telling us we can't get away from the same human drivers who are texting and playing candy crush.
You do realize you talked your way right into your own personal clusterfrick, right? You keep tellins us your for assisted driving, then bashing assisted driving because the human won't pay attention. Your argument breaks down on multiple levels there.
This post was edited on 3/20/18 at 10:30 am
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:29 am to CAD703X
quote:
CAD703X
Are you looking at this from a cyclist's POV? As in, you're worried about how the road can be shared with cyclists and autonomous vehicles?
If so, I think it is a very valid concern and we'd have to make infrastructure changes (bike lanes everywhere) before we adopt these vehicles.
There should also be new laws for cyclists and pedestrians, or at least enforce the ones we have dramatically harder. J-Walking could be deadly with these things, for example.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:35 am to shel311
quote:made up?
So the humans you advocate for so badly wasn't paying attention
ok You're going to die on the cross of humans pay attention 100% the same whether they are driving the car or a robot is.
Why don't you just think about that.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:38 am to CAD703X
quote:Yes, you made that up, that's a fact. You may end up being right but right now, it is made up factually speaking.
made up? ok
quote:I never said that, not once.
You're going to die on the cross of humans pay attention 100% the same whether they are driving the car or a robot is.
quote:Why would I think about something i never said?
Why don't you just think about that.
Also remember, these humans that won't pay attention as much with the robot car is exactly what YOU are wanting to see happen. Refer to my comment about you talking yourself in circles.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:38 am to TheCaterpillar
quote:have you ever driven down 12th into the gulch particularly on a Friday afternoon?
Are you looking at this from a cyclist's POV? As in, you're worried about how the road can be shared with cyclists and autonomous vehicles?
Pretty sure people walking out in front of you..valets darting out in front of you at full speed racing to get a car..pre teen girls taking selfies in front of buildings standing in the road.. drunk bacherloettes stumbling out of pedal taverns..is the norm.
You want to send a robot car into that chassis and then fault everyone struck by the car who wasn't using the crosswalks?
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:40 am to CAD703X
quote:
You want to send a robot car into that chassis and then fault everyone struck by the car who wasn't using the crosswalks?
I definitely didn't say that.
Posted on 3/20/18 at 10:41 am to shel311
quote:name a single post I made in this thread where I advocate giving control of the vehicle over to a robot. Abs, Auto braking, alerts when a car is in your blind spot... None of the things take away from the human driver being in charge.
remember, these humans that won't pay attention as much with the robot car is exactly what YOU are wanting to see happen
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