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re: Two Years Ago This Month: Work From Home
Posted on 3/24/22 at 1:33 pm to CocomoLSU
Posted on 3/24/22 at 1:33 pm to CocomoLSU
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and she can do all of that at home and on her phone. I was like yeah, but by that token I can go plan golf every day and as long as I have my phone with me to answer calls and respond to emails, I'm good. Far too many people here want to WFH so that they can frick off.
I don't see the problem here. If your role is task based I can see where this is a perfect setup. Give me my task and call me if you need me.
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Posted on 3/24/22 at 1:36 pm to CocomoLSU
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If I am at home and not literally sitting at my computer actively working on something, I feel like I am stealing time. It may seem strange (and kinda does to me), but that's how I feel.
Here’s the truth about working remotely. You’re getting the same amount of stuff done either way. If you have time to mess around at home, do laundry, mow the yard, play with kids, etc it just means that you’re using time for YOU that would have normally been wasted chatting with random people about the weather, sports, or other water cooler nonsense.
I wouldn’t mind going in a day or two a week mainly for career progression and for younger people those personal relationships are even more important if they want to move up. That said, I greatly prefer using my time the way “I” want to, not the way my employer would prefer.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 1:36 pm to Aubie Spr96
I work in technology too. I have been to our office once in the past two years and that was to get my personal possessions. The company has offices around the world and I expect them to leave our current space, find a much smaller space, maybe 1/4 of the size and fill it with hotel offices and cubes and a couple of small conference rooms. For larger gatherings, they will rent space in a hotel.
I have mostly worked from home for the past 20 years and no one in my team wants to go back to the office on a regular basis. I suspect we will go in maybe once a quarter for a catered lunch / meeting, and that's it.
Given that most of the people I work with have worked together for several years, going fully remote was not hard. Teams, WebEx, email, it all works pretty well for us. With my laptop, all I need is an internet connection and I'm good.
I know a couple whose lease was coming due when the lockdown started. They live in a large east coast city. They sold their stuff, loaded the dogs in the car, and spent the next year traveling the country. They stayed at Air B&Bs and worked via the internet. Had a great time, and I'm jealous.
I have mostly worked from home for the past 20 years and no one in my team wants to go back to the office on a regular basis. I suspect we will go in maybe once a quarter for a catered lunch / meeting, and that's it.
Given that most of the people I work with have worked together for several years, going fully remote was not hard. Teams, WebEx, email, it all works pretty well for us. With my laptop, all I need is an internet connection and I'm good.
I know a couple whose lease was coming due when the lockdown started. They live in a large east coast city. They sold their stuff, loaded the dogs in the car, and spent the next year traveling the country. They stayed at Air B&Bs and worked via the internet. Had a great time, and I'm jealous.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 1:42 pm to PapaPogey
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I'm not either. The reason I enjoy my job is because I like the people I work with.
I actually really enjoy everyone i work with and we have a really great team. I had been with them 8 years in office then last 2 years remote. Don't really see the difference between the home and remote working with them. The key for most and i will say for me was knowing these people prior to going remote. We all got along great before and it has carried over to remote work. If questions come up i setup a zoom or a teams meeting and know i will get the help needed.
If i started a new job 100% remote the really getting to know a person thru a screen would be more challenging but it could be done. So i can see both sides of the story. With that said working remote with the option of going in is the way of the future for jobs that can do it. We have a weekly team meeting using zoom and that's where you catch up and keep up to date on current things in office. It gives us time to enjoy talking to one another like we used to do in office. The good thing is all that gossip and watercooler chat is over in an hour unlike where it was spread throughout the day when we were in office. So probably more productive at home
This post was edited on 3/24/22 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 3/24/22 at 1:44 pm to FLObserver
Yeah we hired a few new people while we were all remote and I'd say it took them significantly longer to get up to speed than if we were all in the office.
For most who had been there awhile it was an easy transition.
For most who had been there awhile it was an easy transition.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 1:45 pm to NOLAVOL16
What I find hilarious about this debate is that even before the pandemic, the horrid open office trends just meant that people came to work, put headphones on, and tuned out everyone around them. Same thing happens now. People go in to be seen and then proceed to ignore everyone so they can get their stuff done. What’s the point of the commute and office expense? If your social life sucks so bad that it relies on work people, that’s an issue you might want to address personally.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 1:47 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Tell me you're a boomer, without telling me that you're a boomer.
It's staggering to think about how much unnecessary bureaucracy exists in corporations (teams dedicated to workplace culture, etc.)
And then to think about how much less efficient the government is
The relative absence of this crap in law is one of the few benefits of this profession. I hear it all the time from folks who go in house.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 2:47 pm to Aubie Spr96
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Two Years Ago This Month: Work From Home
Best turkey hunting of my life
Posted on 3/24/22 at 2:54 pm to Grateful Reb
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Working remote is the shite. I can spend my winters in Tahoe, my summer in Santa Barbara. And when I get tired of that I can rotate with wherever the hell I want.
My wife owns her own business. We can do that in the summer when it slows down, but she can't work remote.
We have friends and go out regularly since our kids are out of the house. I'm in a fishing club and she's very active in the community. It's not like we are lepers with no social outlets outside of work.
I think the elimination of the office will be a lot like putting masks on the kids was. Somewhere down the road, we will realize that the remote work environment actually hurts companies.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 4:38 pm to Tiger Ugly
quote:If they are getting their jobs done, what type of "issues" does them WFH cause? Seriously, I'm curious.
in my business there a still folks working from home totally unnecessarily as all around them everyone else is back at work...that type of thing causes issues.
Maybe they just don't want to waste time bs'ing with you when they could spend that time with their families?
quote:Almost every study out shows the complete opposite. I'm honestly curious if you monitor performance through metrics whatsoever.
you work from home unsupervised efficiency is going down. May be a few rare exceptions - but those are very rare.
Your mentality sounds like the type that unless you physically see someone working, you think they aren't. That type of leadership is one of the primary drivers for attrition in organizations and *surprise surprise* one of the motivating factors for employees seeking out fully remote roles.
This post was edited on 3/24/22 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 3/24/22 at 6:22 pm to fallguy_1978
It really depends how good the fit is for the new hire, which falls squarely on the team. Often tech firms hire seniors/principals based on their character and professional experience rather than their technical fit.
It also depends how good your documentation, support, and devops are. Can a developer get the code built and tested in a few clicks or commands? Do you have clear concise up to date high level diagrams of the system? Can you explain the value proposition in a few sentences? Same for your goals for the next quarter?
Often senior staff can actually be more demanding than juniors. That's because they want a deep understanding rather than just ad-hoc hacking whatever code the PMO asks for.
It also depends how good your documentation, support, and devops are. Can a developer get the code built and tested in a few clicks or commands? Do you have clear concise up to date high level diagrams of the system? Can you explain the value proposition in a few sentences? Same for your goals for the next quarter?
Often senior staff can actually be more demanding than juniors. That's because they want a deep understanding rather than just ad-hoc hacking whatever code the PMO asks for.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 9:01 pm to Aubie Spr96
quote:Don’t ever want to go back to the office. Love my working arrangement.
Work From Home
Posted on 3/24/22 at 9:07 pm to Aubie Spr96
We were supposed to go to a hybrid 50/50 schedule. I think that’s a great idea
Posted on 3/24/22 at 9:19 pm to Aubie Spr96
Who do you work for? I forgot
Posted on 3/24/22 at 9:20 pm to Aubie Spr96
I'm a few days away from 3 years of remote work. So started pre-covid.
I love it and wouldn't change a thing. It suits my introverted self well.
I also work for a small family business , we have less than 15 employees, so it's easy to feel connected because we talk all the time and half the company is family. I've actually only met them all one time.
The flexibility is nice, because I don't do a work from home job that counts key strokes or time online I can disappear for an hour or so to grocery shop, run errands, etc. and no one cares. Even if they call its a no big deal do it when you get home thing. Most of them were at a conference this week so it's been slower than normal, loved being able to do what I wanted with that free time instead of being stuck in an office.
Plus, while it isn't easy, it's nice to be here if schools close or my kid is home sick. No one has to scramble to figure out who will stay home.
I love it and wouldn't change a thing. It suits my introverted self well.
I also work for a small family business , we have less than 15 employees, so it's easy to feel connected because we talk all the time and half the company is family. I've actually only met them all one time.
The flexibility is nice, because I don't do a work from home job that counts key strokes or time online I can disappear for an hour or so to grocery shop, run errands, etc. and no one cares. Even if they call its a no big deal do it when you get home thing. Most of them were at a conference this week so it's been slower than normal, loved being able to do what I wanted with that free time instead of being stuck in an office.
Plus, while it isn't easy, it's nice to be here if schools close or my kid is home sick. No one has to scramble to figure out who will stay home.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 9:33 pm to Epic Cajun
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but we keep a very active social life. It's exhausting at times
I feel like this as well. We have something going on pretty much every weekend, so I enjoy the quiet of working from home and not being forced to interact if unnecessary.
My job in BR in an office, I had a coworker who legit would spend hours per day talking to me. It became a running joke in the office. I would fake phone calls, not glance away from my computer, continue to work, leave to make copies. Nothing stopped her.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 11:07 pm to FogellLovesHops
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I’m in industrial salsa
Oops lol
Posted on 3/25/22 at 12:34 am to Tiger Ugly
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Yep, the precedents set at the start of this were dangerous and far reaching in their implications. The workplace environment just one area of that. in my business there a still folks working from home totally unnecessarily as all around them everyone else is back at work...that type of thing causes issues. Human nature, you work from home unsupervised efficiency is going down. May be a few rare exceptions - but those are very rare.
I guess there are people paid by the hour that WTF, but I’m surprised that there are still work environments where salaried employers are evaluated by how much time their butt is in a chair at the office instead of fo they perform their assigned tasks in the needed timeframe.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 1:40 am to Aubie Spr96
I felt like I was working 24/7 when I was working from home. I like the 9-5 five days a week work structure.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 1:50 am to Aubie Spr96
I’m in real estate/construction so my normal never changes. My wife works for HUB she went completely remote throughout pandemic now going in 1-2 days week. Ironically, they renovated entire during pandemic, her new personal office is pretty insane. She enjoys the balance of going in/staying home.
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