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re: Two Racist High School Seniors in Georgia Expelled for Tik Tok video
Posted on 4/18/20 at 3:44 pm to Lsupimp
Posted on 4/18/20 at 3:44 pm to Lsupimp
quote:neat. so am i .
I’m a HUGE believer in protecting unpopular speech. My citizenship actually REQUIRES it. Your right to be an insufferable , entitled, racist a-hole Is actually a thing worth protecting. Do you need me to explain why?
but this isn't a freedom of speech issue
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Posted on 4/18/20 at 3:48 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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what should their punishment be?
From government entities? Nothing.
Social consequences? They deserve whatever they get.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 3:51 pm to Rouge
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I have not seen where a punishment has been proposed. I take that back. The option of offering a fake apology was put out there.
Minimum of 500 hours of community service, minimum.
One option
Posted on 4/18/20 at 3:52 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Yes and no. I was just reacting to the principle of why we have to indulge unpopular speech, even as it offends us. And idiotic racist speech off school grounds shouldn’t be grounds for expulsion imho ( unless threats were made) any more than 100 other idiotic things should. I’d prefer they EDUCATE the idiots through PERSUASION than punishment. It’s the same reason I don’t scream to throw athletes off the team after every minor offense- remembering that adults like teachers and coaches can effect positive change by keeping them IN the fold.
This post was edited on 4/18/20 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 4/18/20 at 3:53 pm to DemonKA3268
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Minimum of 500 hours of community service, minimum.
One option
But your breathern right above you says no formal punishment
Looks like some division in them there ranks
Posted on 4/18/20 at 3:54 pm to Rouge
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But your breathern right above you says no formal punishment
Looks like some division in them there ranks
Opinions vary
Posted on 4/18/20 at 3:55 pm to Rouge
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Interesting how some people are so eager to protect hate speech.
We all have our pet causes, I suppose.
Maybe you’re comfortable allowing government to dictate what speech is or isn’t acceptable. But I’m not. Doesn’t mean what these kids said is right or anything hi mg other than reprehensible. But the govern should not have the power to punish them for it.
What you’re not understanding is if the government is allowed to punish them for saying this, that gives government the power to decide what speech is punishable. Do you want to live in that country?
Posted on 4/18/20 at 3:57 pm to Darth_Vader
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What you’re not understanding is if the government is allowed to punish them for saying this, that gives government the power to decide what speech is punishable. Do you want to live in that country?
Exactly!
Those “in them there ranks” don’t understand this. Probably never will.
This post was edited on 4/18/20 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 4/18/20 at 4:00 pm to Rouge
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I have not seen where a punishment has been proposed.
Mike Leach museum tour?
Posted on 4/18/20 at 4:00 pm to Lsupimp
quote:i would completely agree if this was a situation where something was leaked, context is missing, etc.
’d prefer they EDUCATE the idiots through PERSUASION than punishment. It’s the same reason I don’t scream to throw athletes off the team after every minor offense- remembering that adults like teachers and coaches can effect positive change by keeping them IN the fold.
but these "kids" (they're 17 or 18 year seniors per the article) grew up in the social media, PC age and still decided to film and publish that video. they knew exactly what they were doing and sometimes you have to give people what theyre asking for. also, the teachers and admin shouldn't have to deal with backlash from this.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 4:02 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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also, the teachers and admin shouldn't have to deal with backlash from this.
Why should they have to deal with backlash from this? The kids recorded the video at home, and made no mention of the school or faculty. The school has nothing to do with it at all.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 4:04 pm to Darth_Vader
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Maybe you’re comfortable allowing government to dictate what speech is or isn’t acceptable. But I’m not. Doesn’t mean what these kids said is right or anything hi mg other than reprehensible. But the govern should not have the power to punish them for it.
What you’re not understanding is if the government is allowed to punish them for saying this, that gives government the power to decide what speech is punishable. Do you want to live in that country?
we already went over this. keep up.
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Bethel School Dist. No. 403 v. Fraser, 478 U.S. 675 (1986)
Morse v. Frederick, 551 U.S. 393 (2007)
Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School Dist., 393 U.S. 503 (1969)
Posted on 4/18/20 at 4:06 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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we already went over this. keep up.
We did. And it was pointed out that all those cases involved threats to other students or faculty.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 4:06 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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we already went over this. keep up.
No, you may want to keep up. Not talking about the past.
Like I said, some don’t grasp this.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 4:11 pm to Centinel
quote:not one of those cases involved threats.
And it was pointed out that all those cases involved threats to other students or faculty.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 4:12 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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not one of those cases involved threats.
Still not seeing the forest for the trees.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 4:17 pm to DemonKA3268
quote:it's not about the past. your howling about the governement is punishing speech isn't valid in this case. you should do some reading.
Not talking about the past.
This post was edited on 4/18/20 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 4/18/20 at 4:20 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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it's not about the past. your howling about the governement is punishing speech isn't valid in this case. you should do some reading.
Howling?
This post was edited on 4/18/20 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 4/18/20 at 4:40 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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we already went over this. keep up.
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Bethel School Dist. No. 403 v. Fraser, 478 U.S. 675 (1986)
Morse v. Frederick, 551 U.S. 393 (2007)
Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School Dist., 393 U.S. 503 (1969)
I guess you have never head of Dred Scott if you think the courts are always right.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 5:45 pm to Darth_Vader
after seeing this, i've completely changed my tune. it was actually her boyfriend's fault and she believes blacks are people too.
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