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re: Two OU football players (a holder) get worked in a bar fight
Posted on 2/25/21 at 1:38 pm to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 2/25/21 at 1:38 pm to Big Scrub TX
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But he DIDN'T start the altercation seen in the video.
But only a dumbass would think that video is all there is to this incident
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Posted on 2/25/21 at 1:39 pm to HDAU
quote:I'm curious to know why the MMA-since-we're-12-bros evidently just stood by while they were bloodied in the first go round. Something doesn't quite add up.
What is not shown is the original assault and battery suffered by Mr. Brown at the hands of Mr. Jones and his friend shortly before the captured footage
In any event, viciously pummeling (way beyond submission) a different person than the one who attacked you is not a good legal look.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 1:40 pm to Big Scrub TX
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In any event, viciously pummeling (way beyond submission) a different person than the one who attacked you is not a good legal look.
Spencer wasn't some innocent bystander here that got cold cocked out of nowhere
Regardless, why does legal responsibility even need to factor in here? 4 dudes got i a fight. The two guys that got their asses kicked chose to put themselves in that situation.. Why should the get a payday for being meatheads and sucking at fighting? Everyone pays for their own bills and that's it.
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 2/25/21 at 1:48 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:Right. But as I said, I'm interested to know whey the ultimate fighting bros showed so much restraint during the first go round - they just allowed themselves to be bloodied without going ham the first time? Something doesn't add up.
But only a dumbass would think that video is all there is to this incident
Posted on 2/25/21 at 1:49 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Right. But as I said, I'm interested to know whey the ultimate fighting bros showed so much restraint during the first go round - they just allowed themselves to be bloodied without going ham the first time? Something doesn't add up.
Pretty easy hypothetical is that they didn't want to kick the shite out of spencer and friend but were left with no choice when spencer and friend got in their face again.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 1:50 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:Never said he was. He was acting like an entitled douche and he was NOT "de-escalating".
Spencer wasn't some innocent bystander here that got cold cocked out of nowhere
quote:It doesn't HAVE to - it's just that it is GOING to, evidently.
Regardless, why does legal responsibility even need to factor in here?
quote:I mean, what if Spencer had been killed? I don't believe that fighting as extremely as possible, regardless of the situation is the right thing to do - and neither does the law.
Why should the get a payday for being meatheads and sucking at fighting?
Posted on 2/25/21 at 1:51 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I mean, what if Spencer had been killed? I
Oh well.
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I don't believe that fighting as extremely as possible, regardless of the situation is the right thing to do - and neither does the law.
If the law says you can start a fight and then profit for sucking at fighting at the expense of the person you started a fight with, the law needs toc change.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 1:53 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I mean, what if Spencer had been killed?
then he would’ve fricked around and found out, and the dude who killed him would have his day in court and take punishment or be let off
don’t start fights with people is a pretty simple concept
Posted on 2/25/21 at 1:58 pm to zippyputt
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future income and pro career money
LOL....at what? A professional holder?
Posted on 2/25/21 at 2:04 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:They didn't have the choice to turn and leave the bathroom? Sorry, not buying it, counselor.
Pretty easy hypothetical is that they didn't want to kick the shite out of spencer and friend but were left with no choice when spencer and friend got in their face again.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 2:05 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:Be that as it may, I'm sure you'll agree that the law is the law.
If the law says you can start a fight and then profit for sucking at fighting at the expense of the person you started a fight with, the law needs toc change.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 2:05 pm to Eighteen
quote:Punishment for what? If the rule is "frick around and find out, regardless of magnitude", then what is the standard?
then he would’ve fricked around and found out, and the dude who killed him would have his day in court and take punishment or be let off
Posted on 2/25/21 at 2:11 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I'm sure you'll agree that the law is the law.
I'm not sure the law says what you're claiming. And Spencer was fighting back basically the whole time he was on the ground.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 2:12 pm to Big Scrub TX
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They didn't have the choice to turn and leave the bathroom? Sorry, not buying it, counselor.
You very clearly have picked a side here. That's fine, but don't pretend to be objective.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 2:15 pm to Big Scrub TX
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They didn't have the choice to turn and leave the bathroom? Sorry, not buying it, counselor.
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Oklahoma’s Stand Your Ground law states that “A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”
From what I can tell they have no duty to retreat, especially if the fight was provoked by the football players
Posted on 2/25/21 at 3:00 pm to Ingeniero
quote:I didn't say they had a duty - I merely rejected the notion that they had no "choice" but to stay.
From what I can tell they have no duty to retreat, especially if the fight was provoked by the football players
Also:
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if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”
I'm positive the MMA baws were not scared of dying. It's possible they were afraid of "great bodily harm". It's also possible others unseen in the video were blocking the exit. All sorts of things were possible. But it is far from certain: a)what happened prior to the video and b)that they couldn't have simply opted to exit the bathroom
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 2/25/21 at 3:03 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:No, I haven't. I would have loved this to end about 10 seconds before it did - dipshit, entitled OK football player gets put in his place. However, that doesn't mean I'm completely blind to magnitude of response.
You very clearly have picked a side here. That's fine, but don't pretend to be objective.
Spencer is going to come off looking like the douche he evidently is, no matter what. But the baw probably went too far, and very likely could face some penalty for it. He certainly seems to be saying that he himself believes that is the case.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 3:19 pm to Big Scrub TX
Yea the fact that they(the MMA guys) were between the football guys and the door makes it kind of blurry to me. The video simply does not show enough to really know who was more culpable as far as instigating this.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 3:23 pm to sabes que
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The video simply does not show enough to really know who was more culpable as far as instigating this.
Let's just do some quick analysis:
We know that Spencer and his buddy are no match for the brothers.
We know that one brother was hit prior to the beginning of this video.
We know Spencer and friend are acting like big tough guys and provoking the brothers.
These are irrefutable facts.(ETA: I suppose he could have walked into a wall, but I'm leaving it as a fact
) In my opinion, it is reasonable to infer that there was a prior altercation where one of the brothers was hit. Based on Spencer and friend's tough guy demeanors and the results of the fight on video, it is safe to also assume that the brothers held back in this first altercation and that the incident on camera was instigated by Spencer and friend.
Would anyone really disagree with this?
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 2/25/21 at 3:25 pm to sabes que
Also as much as people like Joe Rogan like to say “guys who know BJJ and MMA are the most harmless people, they know what they can do so they don’t look to start stuff out of insecurity like other guys.” However my personal experience says this is not true, I know plenty of guys with some MMA training that absolutely went out looking for fights. Also many guys who are professional fighters have beaten the shite out of people at bars.
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