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re: Two agenda items of note for today's BR Metro Council Meeting (live stream link inside)
Posted on 6/15/17 at 12:59 pm to TigerstuckinMS
Posted on 6/15/17 at 12:59 pm to TigerstuckinMS
quote:no such threat was made.
I'm guessing that this part of the revised statutes would be the basis of the lawsuit threatened if they levied less than the full 2.25 mills approved by the voter
quote:The millage vote was not for a flat 2.2, it was UP TO 2.2. thats the legal wiggle room they had.
the governing authority shall, after the promulgation of the result of the election and pursuant to the terms of the proposition submitted, levy and assess the special taxes on the property
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Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Yes he did but a lot of others things were said too. You know saying something does not make it true, correct nor legal
but the last speaker , Dr. Lawyer Ernie Johnson, basically said they'd be suing EBR if they didn't approve the tax
quote:and then theres this.
(100%, presumably)
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Yes that was not over the less than 2.2 , it was about if the vote was delayed 30 days. Big difference
Freiberg even asked the CA about the effects of the delay after that, before the final vote, and the CA was like "i think it means we're gonna get sued"
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:03 pm to BingWaterTiger
Millages typically can be adjusted yearly is my understanding, they just can't exceed the amount approved by voters. My local Sheriff's Office has rolled millages back a few times knowing they can always increase them back to the voter approved level if needed.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:03 pm to BingWaterTiger
quote:
Dr. Lawyer Ernie Johnson
He is the legal scholar who said not approving the tax could be a "Civil Rights Violation" because "most of the COA and its customers are black." That is, even for a lawyer, a huge steaming pile of horse shite.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
but the last speaker , Dr. Lawyer Ernie Johnson, basically said they'd be suing EBR if they didn't approve the tax (100%, presumably)
I think that was a response to Chauna Banks asking if they could sue the city for civil rights violations if the council didn't pass the millage.
He said it's possible under the civil rights voting act
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:04 pm to BingWaterTiger
quote:
Yes that was not over the less than 2.2 , it was about if the vote was delayed 30 days. Big difference
not really. their argument is "the voters voted for 2.2" and any change from that violated [insert argument]
i mean their suit over the delay would have been bullshite, too
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:05 pm to jbgleason
quote:Banks rode that pony at the end too.
not approving the tax could be a "Civil Rights Violation" because "most of the COA and its customers are black."
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:05 pm to upgrayedd
quote:
I think that was a response to Chauna Banks asking if they could sue the city for civil rights violations if the council didn't pass the millage.
He said it's possible under the civil rights voting act
that was an orchestrated back and forth
and i think it would probably be really done under the VRA, not CRA
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:well yes really. that was the context of the actual question asked. you looked at the tape, its clear what the question was. at the end frieberg asked specifically about the legal ramifications of a DELAY. The P A answered that.
not really.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:07 pm to okietiger13
quote:Correct, and they do it yearly for the COA, or will be.
Millages typically can be adjusted yearly is my understanding
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:08 pm to BingWaterTiger
quote:
no such threat was made.
True. I misspoke there. The parish attorney basically told them they'd be opening the parish up to a lawsuit if I remember correctly. It was a long meeting. Things get jumbled.
quote:
The millage vote was not for a flat 2.2, it was UP TO 2.2. thats the legal wiggle room they had.
I'll disagree there. It was 2.25 mills on the nose. I really don't know whether or not the law allows for levies up to the millage in the proposal, but the proposal definitely specified 2.25 mills, not up to. I pulled the text of the proposal on the ballot from the Secretary of State's website.
"Shall the Parish of East Baton Rouge, State of Louisiana (the "Parish") be authorized to levy and collect a 2.25 mills ad valorem tax (the "Tax") (an estimated $7,875,000 is reasonably expected to be collected from the levy of the Tax for an entire year), for a period of ten (10) years"
I have no idea if there is wiggle room there given the state's statutes on levying and assessing special taxes.
This post was edited on 6/15/17 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:haha banks is not that smart or organized.Even when she repeated it at the end she stumbled and was completely unsure of what she was saying.
that was an orchestrated back and forth
quote:well there's that room for error. Gotta go with what the parish attorney, who deals with that particular aspect of the law on a regular basis.
i think it would probably
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
says
She's been eying a set of spinners for her Escalade for a while. With the free money the voters and BR Metro Council just gave to her to control, she now says, "I got dis."
This post was edited on 6/15/17 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:13 pm to BingWaterTiger
quote:
haha banks is not that smart or organized.
this is bigger than just her
that shite was set up as a bomb to drop on the MC at the time to vote. 100% orchestrated
you think she's capable enough of creating a VRA/CRA violation on the fly in her head?
they even set it up by referring to Ernie Johnson being connected with the NCAAA. totally scripted
quote:
well there's that room for error. Gotta go with what the parish attorney, who deals with that particular aspect of the law on a regular basis.
unless she can see the future, she has no input on that variable
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:14 pm to Will Cover
I'll just leave this here...
"Reconsideration:
(1)
Any member who is on the prevailing side of a question may, before adjournment of the meeting at which the question was considered, move to reconsider the vote.
(2)
A motion to reconsider requires a second.
(3)
If the motion to reconsider receives a second, the matter shall be reconsidered prior to the adjournment of the meeting.
(4)
A motion to reconsider requires a majority vote regardless of the vote necessary to adopt the question reconsidered.
(5)
If a motion to reconsider is lost it cannot be repeated except by unanimous consent.
(c)
Future consideration. Any item which has been considered and voted upon twice shall not be considered by the council for a period of one (1) year following the date on which the item was last acted upon, except upon the vote of two-thirds ( 2/3 ) of the entire membership of the council. A vote on a motion to postpone action on an item or to defer action on an item to a subsequent meeting shall not be considered when counting the number of times the item has been considered and voted upon by the council.
(d)
Postpone action or defer action.
(1)
Any member may make a motion to postpone action on an item or defer action on an item on the agenda to a future meeting.
(2)
A motion to postpone action or defer action requires a second.
(3)
A motion to postpone action or defer action requires a majority vote of the entire metropolitan council regardless of the vote necessary to adopt the item.
(4)
A motion to postpone action or defer action on an item may be made by a member at any time prior to the chair moving to the next order of business."
"Reconsideration:
(1)
Any member who is on the prevailing side of a question may, before adjournment of the meeting at which the question was considered, move to reconsider the vote.
(2)
A motion to reconsider requires a second.
(3)
If the motion to reconsider receives a second, the matter shall be reconsidered prior to the adjournment of the meeting.
(4)
A motion to reconsider requires a majority vote regardless of the vote necessary to adopt the question reconsidered.
(5)
If a motion to reconsider is lost it cannot be repeated except by unanimous consent.
(c)
Future consideration. Any item which has been considered and voted upon twice shall not be considered by the council for a period of one (1) year following the date on which the item was last acted upon, except upon the vote of two-thirds ( 2/3 ) of the entire membership of the council. A vote on a motion to postpone action on an item or to defer action on an item to a subsequent meeting shall not be considered when counting the number of times the item has been considered and voted upon by the council.
(d)
Postpone action or defer action.
(1)
Any member may make a motion to postpone action on an item or defer action on an item on the agenda to a future meeting.
(2)
A motion to postpone action or defer action requires a second.
(3)
A motion to postpone action or defer action requires a majority vote of the entire metropolitan council regardless of the vote necessary to adopt the item.
(4)
A motion to postpone action or defer action on an item may be made by a member at any time prior to the chair moving to the next order of business."
This post was edited on 6/15/17 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:14 pm to TigerstuckinMS
quote:Yes when asked about passing a 0.0 and at the end about the delay.
True. I misspoke there. The parish attorney basically told them they'd be opening the parish up to a lawsuit if I remember correctly. It was a long meeting. Things get jumbled.
I was surprised I made it all the way thru. I see why the members get up to piss, christ I went twice. Glad I made [quoit all the way though, that cake frieberg made was the tits. I wish she was my granny.te]I'll disagree there. It was 2.25 mills on the nose. I pulled the text of the proposal on the ballot from the Secretary of State's website. [/quote] no I agree, I was typing 2.2 because I wasn't quite sure of the last digit. I thought it was 2.3 in the beginning.
But up to 2.25. that was covered several times by the milfy p.a
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:15 pm to Will Cover
damn that slogan makes me mad
the people who have had the easiest time in the history of the US in terms of accumulating wealth and property now expect the young, rich, and working class to "put them first"?
talk about some greedy, greedy people. not only did they fail to save for their retirement, they can't even afford to live with every subsidy on earth given to them (SS, medicare, subsidized housing if necessary and i believe food stamps are possible, too) and demand the right to steal from others to further subsidize their lifestyle
the people who have had the easiest time in the history of the US in terms of accumulating wealth and property now expect the young, rich, and working class to "put them first"?
talk about some greedy, greedy people. not only did they fail to save for their retirement, they can't even afford to live with every subsidy on earth given to them (SS, medicare, subsidized housing if necessary and i believe food stamps are possible, too) and demand the right to steal from others to further subsidize their lifestyle
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:15 pm to BingWaterTiger
quote:
the milfy p.a
We'll agree to agree on that point.
Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
Not everyone who uses the coa programs/locations is poor or on assistance. the 2 white husband and wife who spoke a couple times each live in a half million dollar home, I know the subdivision well, grew up there. They go once a week to the central location. My mom used to go there to play cards and she was far from poor. Some old folks are lonely and need companionship. The COA programs are not the issue for me. It's how much they are spending on shite that does not touch those it is intended for and the criminal director.
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