re: Turning Point USA announces they're putting on their own Super Bowl halftime show

Acting as if they don’t know what TP is, typical edge lord shite from the libs

I'm proud to say I will be skipping both shows. TYVM

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They actually think people are going to tune into this over a halftime show with The Bad Bunny and risk the chance of missing Super Bowl commercials?

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It'll be fun to follow that's for sure

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But the difference is, the system expected them to assimilate. Schools taught English, businesses operated in English, and politicians didn’t pander in fifteen different languages to win votes. There was one culture to join … not a hundred competing ones.

What we have today isn’t the same “melting” pattern, it’s fragmentation. When entire cities operate in multiple languages, when people refuse to identify as Americans first, and when illegal entry is rewarded instead of punished, that’s not melting. That’s erosion.

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Americans have shared these worries for centuries. Ben Franklin wrote a letter questioning whether German immigrants would ever assimilate in 1753. President van Buren's first language wasn't English. The first nativist party was founded in 1844 due to fears over mass Irish immigration. We banned Chinese immigration in the late 1800's.

Depending on where you lived, there have always been ethnic neighborhoods, businesses operating in other languages, and ethnic voting blocs. The USA has seen the wave of nativism rise and crash before, and it will again.

There's a particular irony in being outraged that an inhabitant of Puerto Rico, an island that was speaking Spanish well before Americans ever showed up and took it from Spain, has the gall to *gasp* speak Spanish in public.

The main issue here, and one that makes this debate nearly impossible to resolve, is that we're dealing with two very different ideas of what makes someone an American. One group of people thinks that Americans share a common language, ethnicity, and religion, and the other thinks that those things are almost irrelevant to whether or not someone is an American.

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Lee Greenwood would be a gamechanger.

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Yeah, if your game is shuffleboard. He's 81 freakin' years old.

It’ll be the first time in ages but I’ll be using my Picture in Picture option on the TV, lol.

so kid rock, the nuge and on tape racist morgan wallen?
sounds like a winner

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--disclaimer before someone inevitably attempts to strawman me as supporting illegal immigration, which I do not: this discussion is only in reference to assimilation patterns--

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The “system expected them to assimilate” argument’s recycled too. The same arguments are front and center in the anti-immigration movements of the 1800's, which are still available to read. They said the same about Italians, Germans, Jews, Irish, and the Chinese. Too many foreigners, not enough loyalty. Then their grandkids became the “real Americans” everyone's proud of now. And American cities have always spoken in foreign languages. New York had German, Yiddish, and Italian neighborhood, Chicago had Polish and Czech, San Francisco had Cantonese. And New Orleans has French, Creole, Spanish, Vietnamese, and English all layered together. Cities are where first generations land, form enclaves, build roots, and raise the kids who end up fluent in English.

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ehh, you’re not totally off base. Immigration has always been part of America’s story. But what’s happened the last decade isn’t traditional immigration is it? No, it’s illegal entry on an unprecedented scale.

My issue is specifically with the flood of illegal crossings that’s taken place under Joe Biden’s presidency, where 15–20 million people entered the country without any meaningful process, vetting, or documentation.

This isn’t “welcoming immigrants.” It’s an open-border free-for-all that effectively invited 3rd world people to break the law, then quietly shipped them by plane and bus into American cities. The same government that waved them through now expects taxpayers to foot the bill for housing, healthcare, and social services….while these same policies drive up housing prices, strain schools and hospitals, and increase crime in many many communities. These are not people who will assimilate, nor will their kids, or grandkids. And why would they? They’ve been shown the laws don’t apply to them and that the American taxpayers will provide for them.

I’m not sure why any American would support this regardless of what it does for “their side” (not directed at you)

Legal immigration strengthens a nation. But mass illegal immigration without accountability weakens it economically, socially, and politically. That’s the distinction that too many people here and elsewhere want to ignore.

I won’t strawman you into supporting illegal immigration as long as you pay me the same respect and don’t paint me into a corner as suggesting I don’t support legal immigration.

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I won’t strawman you into supporting illegal immigration as long as you pay me the same respect and don’t paint me into a corner as suggesting I don’t support legal immigration.

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I don’t believe I’ve done so, but if I inadvertently gave you that impression, it wasn’t my intent and I apologize.

Anyway, I’ve already made myself late for work, but if this thread’s still rolling later, maybe we can pick it back up. Have a good one, bro.