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re: Trump to take steps to ban institutional investors from buying up single family homes

Posted on 1/7/26 at 1:52 pm to
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 1/7/26 at 1:52 pm to
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The shops aren’t just going to stop raking in huge profits
What is the IRR of holding rental properties like these?
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
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Posted on 1/7/26 at 1:52 pm to
Would be awesome
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 1/7/26 at 1:54 pm to
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What is the IRR of holding rental properties like these?


High enough for them to keep buying them
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39874 posts
Posted on 1/7/26 at 1:59 pm to
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finance huge rental developments which is practically the same thing for individual home owners
This doesn't make any sense. "Financing huge rental developments" could also be "builds new housing stock". Whether that is for rent or for sale, it still CONTRIBUTES to the SOLUTION of the underlying problem of a nationwide shortage of homes.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 1/7/26 at 2:00 pm to
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Whether that is for rent or for sale, it still CONTRIBUTES to the SOLUTION of the underlying problem of a nationwide shortage of homes.


Not really
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
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Posted on 1/7/26 at 2:04 pm to
The big question will be where to you draw the line on fractional ownership by institutional lenders in companies that own and operate rental properties?

For example, Blackstone rarely directly invests. They invest in subsidiary companies or joint ventures and provide working capital. So technically, that company isn't an institutional lender. How do you classify a small company that has a warehouse with JP Morgan?
Posted by Bigdawgb
Member since Oct 2023
4282 posts
Posted on 1/7/26 at 2:06 pm to
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you mean the pretzel of capitalism. now pretzel yourself into explaining how you aren't a socialist.


100% pure, lawless capitalism is bad for most Americans.
100% pure socialism is bad for most Americans.

We have 200 years of laws trying to thread the needle, some get it right & some dont.

There, I didn't even have to touch my toes
Posted by L1C4
The Ville
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 1/7/26 at 2:06 pm to
Can he actually do this though?
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
20344 posts
Posted on 1/7/26 at 2:08 pm to
Wow

Amazing if it works

They are a massive lobby so I'm not sure how he's getting around that with congress.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
29916 posts
Posted on 1/7/26 at 2:10 pm to
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I dislike the federal government but there is a time and place for it when people are not engaging in "good faith."


I think we both agree on the issue surrounding these buy-ups, I just think either state or local governments should be making these decisions because they are closer to the issue. They (should) know better the truth on the ground and how big of an issue it is to their citizens. I see the feds as lacking the nuance that is needed.
Posted by Dixie2023
Member since Mar 2023
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Posted on 1/7/26 at 2:11 pm to
Good.
Posted by Bigdawgb
Member since Oct 2023
4282 posts
Posted on 1/7/26 at 2:11 pm to
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How is financing new housing supply a bad thing? Even if they're rentals more supply is more supply and subject to the same market forces all housing is.


Not an expert, but I'd imagine there's a certain threshold where the benefits of BlackRock/Stone are outweighed by the risks of having a market so concentrated into one or a few players.

I mean antitrust laws didn't just appear out of thin air
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18096 posts
Posted on 1/7/26 at 2:12 pm to
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Can he actually do this though?

Ban direct ownership sure.

But since it's mostly owned through subsidiary companies that would have little to no impact. You'd have to dive a step deeper to get to that and it gets murky from there.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
20344 posts
Posted on 1/7/26 at 2:16 pm to
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How is financing new housing supply a bad thing? Even if they're rentals more supply is more supply and subject to the same market forces all housing is.


The real issue is the acquisition of existing homes, you're right.

They need a way to limit it to 10-20 homes per parent entity. I'm not against local entrepreneurs from investing in several homes. . You can trace back LLCs to Blackstone, as they do use those in most cases to buy the single family homes I believe. They can't really force a sale of ones they've already bought logistically, but can stop them from buying more.

Only way to get them to SELL them would be something like rent control to kill their profits which is just a fricking mess. Or maybe say they have to divest current inventory over 20-30 years. Or I guess could say sell them within 5-10 years at FMV.

There would have to be language for people who own homes that don’t earn income from them as well (rich people with lots of houses). That’s not the issue.


ETA:

This whole thing will be messy and extremely political because of the lobby these big firms have. Not sure how Trump can get it done.
This post was edited on 1/7/26 at 2:18 pm
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 1/7/26 at 2:16 pm to
Holman Jenkins meltdown in 3..2....1.....
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
20344 posts
Posted on 1/7/26 at 2:23 pm to
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The big question will be where to you draw the line on fractional ownership by institutional lenders in companies that own and operate rental properties?

For example, Blackstone rarely directly invests. They invest in subsidiary companies or joint ventures and provide working capital. So technically, that company isn't an institutional lender. How do you classify a small company that has a warehouse with JP Morgan?


I think you just did. Law that says they cannot invest or have ownership in single family home businesses through any avenue (with a very small limit like 10-20 homes). It would be complicated with their mortgage business, granted.

Selling current inventory would get very messy and don't think achievable, but you can stop the bleeding.
This post was edited on 1/7/26 at 2:24 pm
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122197 posts
Posted on 1/7/26 at 2:24 pm to
Corporations should be able to buy whatever they want because they donate money to politicians on both sides the aisle.




Just joking, frick them. I believe companies like Black Rock is trying to create a housing market crash.. Buy homes for higher than market price so that people buying new homes have to pay more so that at some point more and more people can't pay, shite collapses, they swoop in and buy as much as they can for as cheap as possible.. Let the market recover, sell.
Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
19304 posts
Posted on 1/7/26 at 2:25 pm to
Can’t wait for private equity boot kickers to tell us how this is actually going to be bad for homebuyers.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 1/7/26 at 2:25 pm to
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Can’t wait for private equity boot kickers to tell us how this is actually going to be bad for homebuyers.


Mushroom boy Big Scrub is already trying
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18096 posts
Posted on 1/7/26 at 2:31 pm to
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I think you just did. Law that says they cannot invest or have ownership in single family home businesses through any avenue (with a very small limit like 10-20 homes). It would be complicated with their mortgage business, granted.

It solves the problem for companies that are wholly or majority owned subsidiaries. But what about a small company that needs some cash and wants to put up a 10% stake for some growth capital? Are they stuck doing friends and family capital raises now because they're boxed out and can't go ask Bank of America who they bank with? it's complicated because the majors either directly or indirectly provide the vast majority of the liquidity needed for companies to operate.
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