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Posted on 7/26/24 at 9:49 am to ibldprplgld
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It’s not that they’re addressing it, of course all companies would.
What stands out to me is that Toyota 1) didn’t waste time, and 2) is going for a full engine replacement to 100% fix the issue for all impacted vehicles rather than recommended some lesser repair.
Good for Toyota. They are doing this not entirely out of the goodness of their heart. They sell reliability, not features, and not price. Toyota sells vehicles that are good in many areas, but excellent in only one -- reliability.
This isn't a knock on them, I have two Toyotas, and both are 20 years old or older. Both still have a lot of miles ahead of them too.
Posted on 7/26/24 at 9:51 am to PapaPogey
Yes, same for Lexus also if I member correctly.
Posted on 7/26/24 at 9:56 am to SpotCheckBilly
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They are doing this not entirely out of the goodness of their heart.
Posted on 7/26/24 at 9:56 am to BuckyCheese
quote:I don't disagree with it being faster. What is the shop rate for a short block replacement vs full engine swap? 20hrs vs 15hrs? Is the short block vs entire engine more than a 25% discount in parts? Is Toyota rolling it out for all of the vehicles manufactured in this span or just ones that have failed?
Replacing the entire engine is much faster, and cheaper, than tearing down thousands of engines to replace the short block. Have you seen the labor rates at the dealer lately? The factory doesn't pay the same, but it is a large percentage of that number.
quote:That's the problem. It should be expected but the other manufacturers over the last decade plus have proven that is not the case. You are correct that it should be the right thing and not something above and beyond, but the fact remains that what you and others are saying is nothing special is compared to what the big 3 have done in regards to drivetrain reliability issues. Toyota while not infallible still provides the level of customer service that used to be the norm. When they issue a TSB or recall they don't care if you are the original owner, how many miles it has, if it is in-line to fix, they fix. The other manufacturers will make an owner do a run around and chase their tail with bandaid fixes until it falls outside of parameter to mitigate costs for the manufacturer.
Replacing the entire engine isn't the noble move you fanboiz are making it out to be.
Posted on 7/26/24 at 9:58 am to AwesomeSauce
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When they issue a TSB or recall they don't care if you are the original owner, how many miles it has, if it is in-line to fix, they fix. The other manufacturers will make an owner do a run around and chase their tail with bandaid fixes until it falls outside of parameter to mitigate costs for the manufacturer.
You think recalls for other manufacturers care which owner you are of the vehicle? That's not this works
Posted on 7/26/24 at 9:59 am to XenScott
Good on Toyota for owning this, not just a fix…a proper replacement . This will cost a fortune but it’s what automakers should do. Take note Ford & GM.
Posted on 7/26/24 at 10:00 am to LNCHBOX
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You think recalls for other manufacturers care which owner you are of the vehicle? That's not this works
Not at all. Anything to put their Toyota on a pedestal.
They lie like politicians.
Posted on 7/26/24 at 10:00 am to LNCHBOX
quote:I have had GM not issue a TSB and/or recall due to mileage and not being the original owner and had to get involved in class actions on both vehicles that were effected and denied by the shop and manufacturer. So please wise one tell me how my lived experience isn't how it theoretically works in your mind?
You think recalls for other manufacturers care which owner you are of the vehicle? That's not this works
Posted on 7/26/24 at 10:02 am to AwesomeSauce
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I have had GM not issue a TSB and/or recall due to mileage and not being the original owner
Ain't no fricking way they had a recall that was limited to mileage.
And TSBs are not recalls and cost the owner money to have them done, so not sure why you keep bringing them up with recalls.
Posted on 7/26/24 at 10:08 am to XenScott
So my understanding is that these engines could contain filings and debris from being milled. If no damage to the engine has occurred could Toyota use those blocks as replacement engines later... I mean strip it down and rebuild it making sure all the debris is removed.
But I would think that might be more costly (to tear down and rebuild) than just buying new blocks and building from scratch.
What will Toyota do with these 100,000 defective engines? Scrap them or sell them to someone like Jasper...
But I would think that might be more costly (to tear down and rebuild) than just buying new blocks and building from scratch.
What will Toyota do with these 100,000 defective engines? Scrap them or sell them to someone like Jasper...
Posted on 7/26/24 at 10:18 am to LNCHBOX
quote:I have had two TSB's carried out by Toyota on an 09 Tacoma I purchased as a camp vehicle as the third owner several years ago. I did not pay for a single one of those TSB's.
TSBs are not recalls and cost the owner money
quote:TSB was, the recall was a refusal because of 'warranty/recall' threshold for the dealership and me not purchasing the vehicle from them and them putting a priority on their customers. The car came from that dealership but I bought it on a trade from a different dealership. I ended up getting the runaround and having an independent shop do the work. GM refused to compensate me for the work, and so I joined the class action. I have a disdain for GM and their handling and I did intentionally list those two together. The TSB is what I was told I would have to pay for by GM because the vehicle was outside the manufacturer warranty so if I wanted it fixed it was on me. The recall was a runaround because I wasn't a priority original purchaser.
Ain't no fricking way they had a recall that was limited to mileage.
Posted on 7/26/24 at 10:20 am to AwesomeSauce
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I have had two TSB's carried out by Toyota on an 09 Tacoma I purchased as a camp vehicle as the third owner several years ago. I did not pay for a single one of those TSB's.
Only if it something that falls under your vehicle's warranty, which again would would not care which owner of the vehicle.
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the recall was a refusal because of 'warranty/recall' threshold for the dealership and me not purchasing the vehicle from them and them putting a priority on their customers.
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The recall was a runaround because I wasn't a priority original purchaser.
Wow, Toyota really is the best
Posted on 7/26/24 at 10:28 am to LNCHBOX
quote:I bought that Tacoma with over 180k miles on it, currently sitting at just under 235k (I only remember this because I was ticked I didn't get an ODO picture when it was at 234567, was at 234570 when I parked it and thought to look). If that is still under the manufacturer warranty then holy crap.
Only if it something that falls under your vehicle's warranty,
quote:If they don't come up with the same BS when it comes time, then yeah. If you have had nothing but exceptional luck with the big 3, then awesome man, honestly. My experience isn't the same and the customer service aren't comparable.
Wow, Toyota really is the best
Posted on 7/26/24 at 10:32 am to Robin Masters
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I’ve got one of these. I guess a new engine isn’t the worst thing ever. I am about to turn 40k miles.
I agree, I think mine is in the vin range that should be replaced as well. I wonder if anybody commenting actually has one. Mine gets 19.8 mpg consistently with mixed driving and will blow the doors off most of the v8s offered in recent memory. I also haven’t heard of any 10 speed problems out of the tundras.
Posted on 7/26/24 at 10:36 am to AwesomeSauce
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I bought that Tacoma with over 180k miles on it, currently sitting at just under 235k (I only remember this because I was ticked I didn't get an ODO picture when it was at 234567, was at 234570 when I parked it and thought to look). If that is still under the manufacturer warranty then holy crap.
That's not how TSBs work but I guess I'll take your word on it.
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My experience isn't the same and the customer service aren't comparable.
It sounds like you got totally fricked by Toyota for recall work, but maybe I'm not getting what you're saying. I've never had major issues with any of teh various brands of vehicles I've bought over the years. That includes Toyota, Ford, Honda, and Chevy/GMC.
Posted on 7/26/24 at 10:39 am to Y.A. Tittle
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It’s all driven by government regulating stupidity.
Hopefully someone will end it.
I thought Trump would previously but never did.
Posted on 7/26/24 at 10:45 am to LNCHBOX
quote:Teague in El Dorado did my 4WD shaft TSB at no charge, and Ronnie Ward in Ruston did my Leaf Spring TSB at no charge.
That's not how TSBs work but I guess I'll take your word on it.
quote:It was Chevrolet that fricked me over on both a Colorado I traded in on my '23 Tacoma, and a Traverse that my ex had that she got fricked on the trade-in on after the divorce, which I had to hear about.
It sounds like you got totally fricked by Toyota for recall work, but maybe I'm not getting what you're saying.
Posted on 7/26/24 at 10:47 am to XenScott
Some friends and acquaintances have been having electrical problems out of their new tundras. I wonder if they will have a recall on that, seems pretty prevalent. The folks I know are a small sample size and could be nothing.
Posted on 7/26/24 at 2:11 pm to AwesomeSauce
yes, the cargo area, i should have been more specific.
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