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re: TOPS meant to keep college educated people in LA, instead it is funding TX's workforce
Posted on 11/29/19 at 3:35 pm to Louie T
Posted on 11/29/19 at 3:35 pm to Louie T
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That’s the misguided opinion that Sentrius holds.
Nobody expects you to have loyalty to Louisiana.
However, things get different when you agree to participate in a program that's intended to keep our best and brightest and the freeloaders who defraud it and then leave the state at first opportunity are a great example of why eliminating TOPS has support.
Don't like being called out like that? Pay for your own shite.
Anyway, I'm in favor of mothballing TOPS until we improve our economy, the legal climate and we see enough growth that would justify the program.
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Posted on 11/29/19 at 3:37 pm to Pandy Fackler
quote:they (or their parents) can pay for college themselves
Deny these kids educational opportunities but at least keep them home?
Or go to trade school
Or the military
Honestly, if you don’t have scholarships and/or your parents can’t afford it, you probably shouldn’t go to college
This post was edited on 11/29/19 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 11/29/19 at 3:38 pm to theenemy
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How will making TOPS recipients live with their parents for 4 years before moving out of state to find a job in their field gonna change anything?
Stop making sense. This bunch can't handle it.
This post was edited on 11/29/19 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 11/29/19 at 3:39 pm to Sentrius
I didn’t agree to anything. The state thought it was worth paying to keep me in state for schooling without any promise of me sticking around afterward.
Don’t like people leaving? Put actual stipulations on the program. Until then, frick you
0% chance I was sticking around to get educated in this pathetic state if it weren’t fully funded.
Don’t like people leaving? Put actual stipulations on the program. Until then, frick you
0% chance I was sticking around to get educated in this pathetic state if it weren’t fully funded.
This post was edited on 11/29/19 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 11/29/19 at 3:40 pm to Sentrius
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However, things get different when you agree to participate in a program that's intended to keep our best and brightest and the freeloaders who defraud it and then leave the state at first opportunity are a great example of why eliminating TOPS has support.
Graduates leaving the state is a symptom of the problem, it’s not the actual problem.
If you qualify for TOPS, you’re probably eligible for some type of academic assistance out of state. I ended up going to college out of state and haven’t worked in LA since. I’m trying to understand what the distinction is though, because it’s not like these kids are intentionally trying to frick over the state. This is the land of the free home of the brave. The goal of the program is to simply educate our children. We should all want our children to pursue the best opportunities post graduation.
This post was edited on 11/29/19 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 11/29/19 at 3:41 pm to Sentrius
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There's a difference between these two things....
1.) Accepting the money, getting the taxpayer funded degree and being forced to leave the state after failing to find a good job and calling it very regrettable and have expressions about how they would love to have a good job in Louisiana.
2.) Accepting the money, getting the taxpayer funded degree and then hightailing it out of the state at first opportunity and bragging about it and constantly denigrating Louisiana.
This is true.
I did get TOPS, left the state for Graduate school, then came back to work 3 years. As a public servant no less. Then I left the state.
TOPS has great intentions, but as with most things in LA, is poorly designed and doesn't achieve it's end goal. And that is sad.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 3:43 pm to Pandy Fackler
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What are these kids supposed to do?
Pay for their college education themselves.
If they can't afford it, there's other options that doesn't make you look like a freeloading piece of crap for not staying in Louisiana.
This mindset that everyone needs to go to college is not a good thing by the way.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 3:43 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Have to laugh at the people in this thread that want to force TOPS grads to stay in LA for a certain amount of time. Education can be a good thing, but perhaps some day... some day LA will learn how to create valuable jobs. You know not like ones based on tourism. Maybe ones based on permanent dollar flow from corporations. When I was a kid NOLA had some great corporations there. What happened? The criminal politicians ran them off. Now it's "come visit us" LA. Well we'll just welcome in another 7K jobs from Schwab into DFW.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 3:43 pm to DCtiger1
quote:Correct.
Graduates leaving the state is a symptom of the problem, it’s not the actual problem.
Get rid of TOPS and you will lose the best and brightest four years earlier. TOPS definitely needs an overhaul. We simply cant educate people in fields with no return to the State. But the STEM graduates that are leaving are not the problem.
Louisiana has very limited opportunities for talented graduates, until that changes and we attract or grow industry in these fields we will see the exodus, and no amount of college tuition paid or unpaid will stop it.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 3:46 pm to TigerLicks
quote:Also correct, can you imagine being the CEO top company and having to deal with the corruption and leech like relationship you would have with State and local govt.
What happened? The criminal politicians ran them off.
"Get me the frick out of here, as fast as possible" must be the only thought in their mind.
And all we can counter with is "want some more crawfish?"
Posted on 11/29/19 at 3:47 pm to TigerLicks
quote:there are valuable jobs here but they don’t require a college degree
some day LA will learn how to create valuable jobs. Y
Louisiana isn’t going to become a white collar job hub. We should be pragmatic about it and tailor (pun intended) our education programs to help the state for what it is, not what people want it to be.
OR, we could fund education for Texas’ work force
Posted on 11/29/19 at 3:48 pm to tigerfoot
quote:
Get rid of TOPS and you will lose the best and brightest four years earlier.
Exactly, the majority aren’t leaving because they hate LA. There is zero opportunity here unless you are in O & G. It doesn’t help that a good chunk of our population scoff at white collar jobs because everyone should work in a plant or refinery.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 3:49 pm to Parmen
Louisiana and Texas should combine into a superstate called Lexus.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 3:52 pm to Louie T
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I didn’t agree to anything.
Oh that's not your signature on the bottom line right there?
quote:
The state thought it was worth paying to keep me in state for schooling without any promise of me sticking around afterward.
And going off your last few posts, you honored that goal by sticking around for at least a few years.
quote:
Don’t like people leaving? Put actual stipulations on the program.
Actually I want to mothball it until we have an economy that can justify the program, or at least limit to career fields that actually has jobs in Louisiana.
quote:
Until then, frick you
Freeloader.
quote:
0% chance I was sticking around to get educated in this pathetic state if it weren’t fully funded.
Freeloader.
Your posts reek of a bitter animus towards Louisiana that goes far beyond than just finding a good job btw.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 3:52 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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Louisiana isn’t going to become a white collar job hub.
Why not? It’s not like companies are flocking to Dallas for the scenery and culture. They have fostered an environment that created massive growth.
It takes investment in public education, infrastructure, tax incentives, and and educated workforce.
Of course the mentality is that LA will never be better so let’s just focus on O & G.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 3:53 pm to tigerfoot
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Louisiana has very limited opportunities for talented graduates, until that changes and we attract or grow industry in these fields we will see the exodus, and no amount of college tuition paid or unpaid will stop it.
Didn't you vote for JBE or at least stay home earlier this month according to your poliboard posts?
Posted on 11/29/19 at 3:55 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:
there are valuable jobs here but they don’t require a college degree
All the more reason not to go to college, which is overrated and waaaay overpriced. And those valuable jobs are limited. If you get let go in LA best of luck finding another in a reasonable amount of time. Also thinking you're never going to be a white collar job hub is part of the problem. It was at one time. In the 50's/60's/70's NOLA was THE white collar hub of the South. Bigger than DFW, Atl, Houston, Miami.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 3:56 pm to DCtiger1
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for the scenery and culture.
Maybe not for Dallas, but they’re going to Austin, Tampa, Charlotte and Nashville for this.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 3:56 pm to DCtiger1
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Of course the mentality is that LA will never be better so let’s just focus on O & G.
We have a democrat governor that's very hostile to oil and gas and is constantly farming out legacy lawsuits to his pals for a big pay day and pouring red tape out of the arse against them.
There's a reason why JBE was not invited to the LNG plant opening back in May of this year and their business associations endorsed Rispone and Abraham for Governor.
Posted on 11/29/19 at 3:58 pm to DCtiger1
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It’s not like companies are flocking to Dallas for the scenery and culture.
"Let's take a week long vacation in Dallas and check out some big landmarks, mountains and so on there."
- Said no one ever.
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