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Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:05 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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black box
I think I heard that earlier today it was recovered.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Just curious if there's a consensus about what caused this tragedy?
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:07 pm to 777Tiger
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I'm surprised this thread made it this long before you baws kilt it, I'm out
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:08 pm to Red Stick Tigress
Good.
It'll be interesting to know what it picked up
It'll be interesting to know what it picked up
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:09 pm to Dawgsontop34
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Disqualifying a pilot because she’s female, when there have been thousands of women who have been in the Army way before the introduction of DEI is crazy. It could have been her fault. I don’t know. Blaming her before there’s proof of it is just entirely unnecessary. Who benefits by placing that blame early?
I would love to keep this thread apolitical, but I would like to point this out:
Herein lies the problem with DEI - it delegitimizes even the most qualified, and it creates major safety hazards in the military, aviation, etc. Perhaps she was the most qualified pilot who’s ever existed - but because of DEI initiatives, she (and every other minority hire) will be looked at through the lens of “she’s only here because she’s (fill in the blank) - fairly or not. That is the outcome.
I’m not saying it happened in this specific case - but what I described above creates one hell of a problem with crew resource management & the ability to trust your partner to do their job effectively. Both of those things pose a tremendous risk to safety, and that is why DEI must be killed in these sectors.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:12 pm to Tuscaloosa
it can also be true that Handsome Pete pulled the file late last night and told President Trump that this pilot probably shouldn't have been in the cockpit.
Trump clearly knew far more than we know when he spoke earlier today.
Trump clearly knew far more than we know when he spoke earlier today.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:14 pm to SirWinston
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it can also be true that Handsome Pete pulled the file and told President Trump that this pilot probably shouldn't have been in the cockpit
Very plausible - or the file of the air traffic controller.
He would have been better served to address that at a different time, IMO.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:15 pm to Tuscaloosa
Could have been ATC as well - correct.
As to what Trump should or shouldn't say - he's earned the benefit of the doubt from me at this point.
As to what Trump should or shouldn't say - he's earned the benefit of the doubt from me at this point.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:17 pm to North Dallas Tiger
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Just curious if there's a consensus about what caused this tragedy?
No. .my hunch is there will be a couple of contributing mistakes
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:18 pm to SirWinston
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Could have been ATC as well - correct.
If the helicopter was flying under visual flight rules(which based on the ATC comms, it was), it's 100% on the pilot in command of the heli.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:22 pm to WildcatMike
I am no pilot, nor am I an ATC, but a loooooong time ago, I did do flight following and was a radar operator. Something I noticed on the radar shot is that as the RJ makes its left turn towards the runway, it seems the helo made a slight right jog and climbed in altitude. Had the helo maintained course and altitude, it would have passed behind the regional jet. I'd love to see this radar picture synced to the atc audio to see when ATC asked about visual. It might be able to help determine if the helo has visual on the correct aircraft.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:22 pm to KosmoCramer
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If the helicopter was flying under visual flight rules(which based on the ATC comms, it was), it's 100% on the pilot in command of the heli.
Trump spent a great deal of time talking about the FAA & ATC today, which I believe is what Winston is referring to.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:23 pm to Tuscaloosa
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Herein lies the problem with DEI - it delegitimizes even the most qualified, and it creates major safety hazards in the military, aviation, etc. Perhaps she was the most qualified pilot who’s ever existed - but because of DEI initiatives, she (and every other minority hire) will be looked at through the lens of “she’s only here because she’s (fill in the blank) - fairly or not. That is the outcome.
Only racists believe this. DEI in this context was about expanding hiring pools. You still have to demonstrate you’re up for the job.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:24 pm to c on z
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Only racists believe this.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:26 pm to TDTOM
The truth will out, and we mourn the lived lost in the meantime
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:27 pm to c on z
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Only racists believe this. DEI in this context was about expanding hiring pools. You still have to demonstrate you’re up for the job.
That is untrue. At least one major airline is dealing with the fallout of this as we speak. When you give yourself hiring quotas/goals regarding diversity, the hiring pool is weakened - because you are forced to accept candidates who otherwise would not be considered based on merit. Once they are in training, there is pressure to pass them along.
Those are not opinions, those are facts.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:28 pm to Tuscaloosa
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Herein lies the problem with DEI - it delegitimizes even the most qualified, and it creates major safety hazards in the military, aviation, etc.
People forget about the Atlas Air crash into Trinity Bay in 2019. A woefully under-qualified diversity hire slammed a 767 into the water. Killed 2 crew and 1 unlucky pilot flying jump. People forget about it because it wasn't a plane with 200 people on it but it easily could be.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:29 pm to c on z
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c on z
We know what the "c" stands for, but what about the "z"?
Posted on 1/30/25 at 3:31 pm to ImaObserver
A few months ago I read an article that said the United Airlines CEO was worried about the lack of ATC staff and I was feeling pretty burnt out by my job at the time and started to research a possible pivot into that career.
I don’t think I could do it now. Major props to the folks that have the balls and fortitude to guide thousands of lives to safety every single day.
I don’t think I could do it now. Major props to the folks that have the balls and fortitude to guide thousands of lives to safety every single day.
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