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Posted by SidewalkTiger
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 7/14/24 at 1:26 pm to
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There is some noise going on that had the assault weapons ban been in place, the shooter would not have had this rifle.



We don't even know what kind of rifle it was.
Posted by boomtown143
Member since May 2019
9407 posts
Posted on 7/14/24 at 1:28 pm to
Eric Prince (Blackwater founder) tweet about the shooting. Worth a read.

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Hopefully after the tragedy yesterday in Butler PA we can all recognize that unaccountable bloated bureaucracies continue to fail us as Americans.

Donald J Trump is alive today solely due to a bad wind estimate by an evil would be assasin.
As the graphics show the full value wind of just 5mph was enough to displace the unconfirmed but likely light 55 grain bullet two inches from DJT's intended forehead to his ear.
DJT was not saved by USSS brilliance. The fact that USSS allowed a rifle armed shooter within 150yds to a preplanned event is either malice or massive incompetence. Clearly there was adequate uncontrolled dead space for a shooter to move into position and take multiple aimed shots. Watching the newsreel one can hear how proximate the shooter is by the very short time lapse between the crack of arriving bullet (supersonic) to the boom of muzzle blast (sonic).

The law enforcement sniper (unclear if USSS) in newsreels was clearly overwhelmed as his face came off his rifle instead of doing his job to kill the shooter. Clearly they were watching the shooter but apparently have a no "first shot" policy. The only positive action was an apparent 488yd shot by one USSS sniper which despatched the assasin but after the assassin launched at least 5 rounds, wounding DJT and killing and severely others in the crowd.

In my old business of providing Diplomatic Security in two active war zones we were expected to execute the basics or we would be fired. Clearly USSS failed at the basics of a secure perimeter and once shots were fired their extraction was clumsy and left DJT highly exposed to follow on attacks. It looked like they had never drilled together because those responses should be effectively autonomic. Will there be accountability? That's not the Washington way.

Unserious and unworthy people in positions of authority got us to this near disaster. Merit and execution must be the only deciding factors in hiring and leadership, not the social engineering priority of the day. Sadly nothing in Washington reflects that any longer. DJT is right to question the competence of those protecting him because yesterday they failed in almost every way. Nature abhors a vacuum and there are always other options.
Most importantly, as Americans let's come together and run a proper valid election so we can get back to what matters a merit based society that judges on character and skill. Nothing else.

(Images from a SEAL sniper instructor at Red Sky LLC)
Posted by LATiger90
Member since Mar 2015
169 posts
Posted on 7/14/24 at 1:28 pm to
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Correct. The only person that would be an easy shot for is a trained shooter or a tactical shooter. Would be extremely easy for them. Nobody else is that easy for


Exactly. I’ve made a bad shot on a deer over 100 yards that ended up a gut shot just from adrenaline or deer taking a step before. Anyone saying this is “easy” for anyone who probably has adrenaline pumping is naive
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
29838 posts
Posted on 7/14/24 at 1:29 pm to
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These are unconfirmed pics but have been posted as possible vantage point from the sniper team that made the kill shot


I have no formal training, but that's between 180-215 yards. The shifts in camera perspective are making it difficult to nail down.

Edit: measured on google maps. 536 ft from the ridge to the front center of the right show barn


This post was edited on 7/14/24 at 1:34 pm
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
28615 posts
Posted on 7/14/24 at 1:30 pm to
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There is some noise going on that had the assault weapons ban been in place, the shooter would not have had this rifle.

That’s a nonstarter. If there was a ban on one model of gun, he would have had a different model.
Posted by hall59tiger
Member since Oct 2013
3042 posts
Posted on 7/14/24 at 1:30 pm to
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My feeling is that had he used a non-“assault weapon style” rifle, he would have been more accurate.


I’n many cases, yes, a bolt action rifle would have probably been a better choice.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Member since Dec 2019
71060 posts
Posted on 7/14/24 at 1:33 pm to
I'm using something like a Remington 870 with a scope for a shot like this

-Libs
This post was edited on 7/14/24 at 1:35 pm
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
20350 posts
Posted on 7/14/24 at 1:35 pm to
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My feeling is that had he used a non-“assault weapon style” rifle, he would have been more accurate.


Agree
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18167 posts
Posted on 7/14/24 at 1:36 pm to
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My feeling is that had he used a non-“assault weapon style” rifle, he would have been more accurate.

For the most part a bolt action would have been better than an off the shelf AR. But I’d put my Creedmoor AR up against just about anything, but it’s a custom build.
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
29838 posts
Posted on 7/14/24 at 1:37 pm to
Does anyone know where trump was on the fairgrounds? We can just measure it out? I already measured from the nest.
Posted by oleyeller
Vols, Bitch
Member since Oct 2012
32604 posts
Posted on 7/14/24 at 1:39 pm to
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Creedmoor
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18167 posts
Posted on 7/14/24 at 1:40 pm to
It’s my pig gun because I’m lazy.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Member since Dec 2019
71060 posts
Posted on 7/14/24 at 1:41 pm to
Shooter got confused, he thought a "weapon of war" was the best choice.

In all honesty, crazy that he was just using iron sights for a shot like that, must've been a retard.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
33540 posts
Posted on 7/14/24 at 1:41 pm to
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Edit: measured on google maps. 536 ft from the ridge to the front center of the right show barn


The kill shot came from 488yds according Erik Prince and the views I posted are not from the barns behind the stage

They are from elsewhere on farm grounds
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
29838 posts
Posted on 7/14/24 at 1:41 pm to
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But I’d put my Creedmoor AR up against just about anything, but it’s a custom build.


Almost ANY off the shelf rifle of the last 20 years can hit a 10inch gong at 500 yards. The limiter is nearly always the shooter.

A high end rifle doesn't make you a better shooter, it does make it easier to be consistent... And that makes you a better shooter
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
29838 posts
Posted on 7/14/24 at 1:43 pm to
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The kill shot came from 488yds according Erik Prince and the views I posted are not from the barns behind the stage

They are from elsewhere on farm grounds


I just measured from the industrial vantage point to the front of the barns.

Is that not where the would be assasin was located?

I didn't realize there were two seperate discussions of distances going on, my apologies.
This post was edited on 7/14/24 at 1:45 pm
Posted by RanchoLaPuerto
Jena
Member since Aug 2023
2162 posts
Posted on 7/14/24 at 1:45 pm to
If that was the angle, the entry wound would be on the right side of the shooter’s head.

The corpse photo I saw looked like they got him in the mouth.

Posted by SoloTiger
Member since Aug 2016
10910 posts
Posted on 7/14/24 at 1:46 pm to
Law enforcement has said it was around 150 yards. As someone who has hunted deer for decades and understands "buck fever" the fact this kid could even touch Trump is pretty impressive.

Perhaps he was hopped up on drugs to calm his nerves, but the amount of adrenaline going through 99% of people in that situation would have had his aim all over the place.

Even trained assassins missed JFK multiple times from elevated positions.

Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
60122 posts
Posted on 7/14/24 at 1:48 pm to
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
33540 posts
Posted on 7/14/24 at 1:49 pm to
quote:

I just measured from the industrial vantage point to the front of the barns.

Is that not where the would be assasin was located?

I didn't realize there were two seperate discussions of distances going on, my apologies.


Yes Erik said the kill shot came from 488yds so neither sniper team from either barn behind the stage took a shot

If a man like Erik Prince gives out an exact yardage of 488 I will have to believe he has talked to the sniper or his superior
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