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re: Titanic tourist submarine goes missing
Posted on 6/22/23 at 10:20 am to Smeg
Posted on 6/22/23 at 10:20 am to Smeg
Titan (4000 meters)
Design and construction
OceanGate began developing a composite carbon fiber and titanium-hulled submersible in collaboration with the University of Washington's (UW) Applied Physics Lab (APL) in 2013,[16] tentatively named Cyclops 2; the first titanium structural components were ordered in December 2016 from Titanium Fabrication Corp. (TiFab),[18] and OceanGate signed a contract with Spencer Composites in January 2017 for the carbon-composite cylinder.
Spencer previously had built the composite pressure hull for the single-person DeepFlight Challenger for Steve Fossett to a design by Graham Hawkes.
[19] After Fossett died, DeepFlight Challenger was acquired by Richard Branson's Virgin Oceanic, which had announced plans to conduct a series of five dives to the deepest points of the oceans; DeepFlight refused to endorse the plan, as the craft had been designed to dive only once. Adam Wright, the president of DeepFlight, stated in 2014
"The problem is the strength of the [DeepFlight Challenger] does decrease after each dive. It is strongest on the first dive."[20] Spencer Composites was given challenging performance specifications for Cyclops 2, which was meant to withstand 6,600 psi (46 MPa; 450 atm) working service pressure with a factor of safety of 2.25× for its intended maximum depth of 4,000 m (13,000 ft).[19] In March 2018, Cyclops 2 was renamed to Titan[21] and by 2019, OceanGate stated that they had begun development of the successor Cyclops 3 and 4 submersibles.
safety of 2.25×
not much of a margin of safety
Design and construction
OceanGate began developing a composite carbon fiber and titanium-hulled submersible in collaboration with the University of Washington's (UW) Applied Physics Lab (APL) in 2013,[16] tentatively named Cyclops 2; the first titanium structural components were ordered in December 2016 from Titanium Fabrication Corp. (TiFab),[18] and OceanGate signed a contract with Spencer Composites in January 2017 for the carbon-composite cylinder.
Spencer previously had built the composite pressure hull for the single-person DeepFlight Challenger for Steve Fossett to a design by Graham Hawkes.
[19] After Fossett died, DeepFlight Challenger was acquired by Richard Branson's Virgin Oceanic, which had announced plans to conduct a series of five dives to the deepest points of the oceans; DeepFlight refused to endorse the plan, as the craft had been designed to dive only once. Adam Wright, the president of DeepFlight, stated in 2014
"The problem is the strength of the [DeepFlight Challenger] does decrease after each dive. It is strongest on the first dive."[20] Spencer Composites was given challenging performance specifications for Cyclops 2, which was meant to withstand 6,600 psi (46 MPa; 450 atm) working service pressure with a factor of safety of 2.25× for its intended maximum depth of 4,000 m (13,000 ft).[19] In March 2018, Cyclops 2 was renamed to Titan[21] and by 2019, OceanGate stated that they had begun development of the successor Cyclops 3 and 4 submersibles.
safety of 2.25×
not much of a margin of safety
Posted on 6/22/23 at 10:22 am to Godfather1
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I can buy a National Geographic for under ten bucks. And I’m completely safe.
Somebody else had to take those pictures you're looking at.
Posted on 6/22/23 at 10:23 am to dr
quote:
safety of 2.25×
not much of a margin of safety
Sounds like a choice between single use or not at all.
Posted on 6/22/23 at 10:24 am to prplhze2000
There’s just no way in hell I’m getting in that tin can. Billionaire or not.
I’d pay good money to be on the ship when they bring some shite up. But certainly not to go down.
I remember reading where James Cameron went down several times and one time they got stuck for almost a day because of some random current that trapped them against the wreckage. frick all that.
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I’d pay good money to be on the ship when they bring some shite up. But certainly not to go down.
I remember reading where James Cameron went down several times and one time they got stuck for almost a day because of some random current that trapped them against the wreckage. frick all that.
Posted on 6/22/23 at 10:28 am to billjamin
I hope they died quickly but beyond that I’m struggling to feel bad for them at all no matter what they were told.
Posted on 6/22/23 at 10:28 am to boxcarbarney
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Starring Mark Wahlberg
Perfect role for Tom Hanks. Something bad always happens to his ship, plane, or spacecraft.
Posted on 6/22/23 at 10:28 am to MontyFranklyn
My hypothesis is simple. The sub had multiple safety systems. So confident was Stockton in those systems he bragged that the safest place in the world for five people was in that sub. So why didn't the systems kick in? We know there is evidence they never reached the site of the Titanic.
Based on known descent time, the sub lost contact with the support ship before the sub reached their destination. Additionally there was seismic activity which pointed to a violent incident around the time of the loss of contact (I'll admit I had no idea of the capability of those seismic sensors).
Granted my theory is a hypothesis. Until they find that sub my theory is as good as any. I just hope they didn't suffer.
Catastrophic hull failure resulting in implosion.
*[Update]* Apparently an ROV found a debris field on the surface.
Based on known descent time, the sub lost contact with the support ship before the sub reached their destination. Additionally there was seismic activity which pointed to a violent incident around the time of the loss of contact (I'll admit I had no idea of the capability of those seismic sensors).
Granted my theory is a hypothesis. Until they find that sub my theory is as good as any. I just hope they didn't suffer.
Catastrophic hull failure resulting in implosion.
*[Update]* Apparently an ROV found a debris field on the surface.
This post was edited on 6/22/23 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 6/22/23 at 10:30 am to Zarkinletch416
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The sub had multiple safety systems. So confident was Stockton in those systems he bragged that the safest place in the world for five people was in that sub.
The irony considering what they were exploring
Posted on 6/22/23 at 10:36 am to Dr RC
quote:Don't you mean 50 year old white guy David Lochridge?
His firing of David Lochridge

Posted on 6/22/23 at 10:45 am to Tigertown in ATL
I feel bad for them the way I feel bad for rich people who blow through warning signs and die on Everest or in other high risk ventures.
I respect adventurism, even the billionaire variety. It promotes things that may be out of the reach of the rest of us but will nonetheless probably trickle down to our imaginations and be enriching in some ways.
They took on risk for an extraordinary experience. I suppose they got it, but at ultimate cost.
I respect adventurism, even the billionaire variety. It promotes things that may be out of the reach of the rest of us but will nonetheless probably trickle down to our imaginations and be enriching in some ways.
They took on risk for an extraordinary experience. I suppose they got it, but at ultimate cost.
Posted on 6/22/23 at 10:47 am to Pettifogger
These folks are high risk, high reward types. I honestly don't feel very badly or them, outside the horror of being stuck, if it didn't immediately implode.
I actually have a little jealousy that they have the drive to pursue such dangerous endeavors.
I actually have a little jealousy that they have the drive to pursue such dangerous endeavors.
Posted on 6/22/23 at 10:48 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:but don't bring your teenage children along
I actually have a little jealousy that they have the drive to pursue such dangerous endeavors.
Posted on 6/22/23 at 10:48 am to crap4brain
One of the saddest parts about this story is how the professional safety experts on deep submersibles reached out to OceanGate warning them that what they were doing was extremely dangerous with a prototype submersible that was using a largely untested Titanium/Carbon fiber hull. The whole reason they reached out to OceanGate on this is because they knew this exact thing was going to happen one day and that it would be a stain on the entire diving community forever.
They tried to warn them. Tried and failed.
They tried to warn them. Tried and failed.
This post was edited on 6/22/23 at 11:28 am
Posted on 6/22/23 at 10:50 am to Pettifogger
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They took on risk for an extraordinary experience. I suppose they got it, but at ultimate cost.
I think the risk is part of what drives them, sort of like adrenaline junkies, but don't bring your kid with you
Posted on 6/22/23 at 10:50 am to SEClint
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but don't bring your teenage children along
Correct.
But I get the high drive, high risk types. Wish I was one to be honest.
Posted on 6/22/23 at 10:51 am to blueboy
Looks like the Victor 6000 submersible is on the scene
EuroNews

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The Victor 6000 underwater robot is the only device in the area capable of diving to the wreck. It is remotely operated from L'Atalante via a cable that gives it theoretically unlimited autonomy.
The unmanned vehicle is capable of diving to depths of 6,000 metres (20,000 feet), deeper than any other equipment now at the site in the North Atlantic.
It also has two articulated arms that can be remotely controlled to cut cables or perform other manoeuvres to release a stuck vessel, the operator said, including attaching a cable to Titan and hoisting it to the surface.
"Victor is not capable of lifting the submarine up on its own," said Olivier Lefort, the head of naval operations at Ifremer, the state-run French ocean research institute which operates the robot.
But he told Reuters the robot could help hook the 10-tonne submersible called Titan to a ship with the capacity to lift it to the surface
EuroNews
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