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re: Timeline: Stunning details in Penn State fraternity pledge death (Update: charges dropped)
Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:57 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:57 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Just to play Devils advocate.... Maybe if our society wasn't so extremely uptight about college aged kids, who live on their own and can die in a war for their country, getting drunk and having fun... Maybe just maybe they wouldn't have hesitated to get him help Just saying, sometimes the strict rules society enforces cause more harm than good. College kids are going to drink and party no matter what
You make a very good point here.
Something I'd like to point out is the bruising on his abdomen. They should have found that "abnormal" and worthy of 911 no matter how drunk they were. They were coherent enough to prop him up with a booksack so he didn't choke on vomit, which leads me to believe that we can't use the "they were too drunk to be aware"
Also, the older actives would not have been as drunk as the pledges and would not have been as "intimidated" as the pledges. The actives weren't being "forced" to drink. One of the actives should have called 911 immediately after seeing the bruise on his abdomen. Internal bleeding makes a nasty scary bruise.
This is just terrible. Absolutely terrible. I can only imagine all of the emotions his parents must be experiencing. May God hold them in the palms of His hands.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 11:36 pm
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:03 pm to berrycajun
Is it just coincidence that fricked up things keep happening at Penn State? Has any one university ever had as much bad press over a 5 year period? I guess Baylor might be in the neighborhood, but damn.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:08 pm to gatorhater08
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They fricked
frick them. frick THEM.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:13 am to EA6B
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What if you don't drink, are you banned from Greek life?
I knew guys who didnt drink, or drank very little. They were a minority, but they were there.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:24 am to LSUGrad9295
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Is it just coincidence that fricked up things keep happening at Penn State?
I think it's very coincidental that this kinda high profile stuff keeps happening at Penn State. fricked up shite happens all the time on college campuses, somehow, Penn State just keeps finding the worst of the worst.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:33 am to 257WBY
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The 21 drinking age has a bit to do with this. They didn't help their bro because they were trying to avoid trouble since they served under aged guys.
I never liked this argument. It's no excuse for letting your friend die.
And honestly, the drinking to the point of unconsciousness (and life threatening injury) by the pledge doesn't do much to bolster the argument for lowering the age requirement.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 1:09 am to Evolved Simian
I don't think it harms or helps. Some people can handle themselves. It's terrible what happened to this boy. Regardless these people should have helped him.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 6:56 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Heckuva a bump.
Noted update in OP.
(I would give you the "cheers" emoticon, but that would not be appropriate in this thread)
Still sad all around about this.
Noted update in OP.
(I would give you the "cheers" emoticon, but that would not be appropriate in this thread)
Still sad all around about this.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 8:09 am to Evolved Simian
I agree. Getting a MIP is of little consequence when it comes to saving a life. I do however also agree that the 21 drinking age is antiquated and merely done to politically pacify the huge MADD lobby. If you can serve, vote, and get married you should be able to have a beer and play blackjack.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 8:12 am to TigerFanInSouthland
It wasn't coincidental that Joe Paterno hired a child rapist, discovered that the person he hired was a child rapist, then covered up child rapes for said person for decades. That shite is criminal with intent.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 8:19 am to East Coast Band
Is this seriously the culture at frat houses that even after what transpired at night they saw the kid curled up on the floor in fetal position and no one gave a shite to make sure he was ok?
Hope these turds get to rot for a long time!!
Hope these turds get to rot for a long time!!
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 8:25 am
Posted on 7/13/17 at 8:32 am to Remulan
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It wasn't coincidental that Joe Paterno hired a child rapist, discovered that the person he hired was a child rapist, then covered up child rapes for said person for decades. That shite is criminal with intent.
I didn't say that it was coincidental that they did that. I said it was coincidental that this massively fricked up shite keeps happening at Penn St.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 8:36 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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It's just a criminal...shitty situation that could've been so easily avoided.
Fixed it for you
Posted on 7/13/17 at 8:43 am to Bamboozles
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Is this seriously the culture at frat houses that even after what transpired at night they saw the kid curled up on the floor in fetal position and no one gave a shite to make sure he was ok?
Certainly not at all fraternity houses.
It takes special kind of a-hole to think that forcing pledges to drink copious amounts of alcohol in the first place is considered cool and "a bonding experience."
There's nothing cool about that and it sucks that this kid thought those guys would have his back. They're just a bunch of selfish pricks who would rather let one of their pledges suffer in pain than allow him to ruin their "sick party."
Posted on 9/1/17 at 5:03 pm to East Coast Band
Updated:
Link in OP:
Link in OP:
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In a stunning decision, a Centre County district judge Friday threw out the most serious charges — involuntary manslaughter and felony aggravated assault — against eight members of a Pennsylvania State University fraternity in the death of sophomore pledge Tim Piazza.
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The decision still came as a blow to Parks Miller, who vigorously argued the case, and maintained throughout that the men shared culpability in Piazza’s death and should have faced the more serious charges. It also upset Piazza’s parents, Jim and Evelyn, of Lebanon, N.J., who sat in the front row for the proceedings.
“They’re shocked,” Parks Miller said of the Piazzas, who declined to comment as they left the courthouse.
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The ruling, however, represented a favorable outcome for parents and fraternity members whose futures hang in the balance.
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We’re grateful to the judge for his careful, patient, searching inquiry in determination of the true facts,” said Simon, whose client still faces charges of reckless endangerment, hazing, furnishing alcohol to minors, and unlawful acts related to liquor.
Frank Fina represented fraternity president Young. “They were overcome with a certain degree of relief because this has just become such a nightmare,” Fina said of Young and his parents. “The depiction of Mr. Young by the prosecutor and the way that picture was thrust into the public eye created a totally false image of what happened.”
Posted on 9/1/17 at 5:10 pm to East Coast Band
Saw this earlier was surprised no chatter.
4 of the kids have no charges now, they were all charged with evidence tampering, 2 others waived their rights and will go to trial for evidence tampering..my question is tampering of evidence as related to which charge?
4 of the kids have no charges now, they were all charged with evidence tampering, 2 others waived their rights and will go to trial for evidence tampering..my question is tampering of evidence as related to which charge?
Posted on 9/1/17 at 5:15 pm to ThatMakesSense
It's good they dropped the involuntary manslaughter charges.
I understand they could have done many things different and better. However, it's hard to control/monitor how much another man can/did drink and because of that I don't think they should be charged with manslaughter.
I understand they could have done many things different and better. However, it's hard to control/monitor how much another man can/did drink and because of that I don't think they should be charged with manslaughter.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 5:25 pm to saint tiger225
Third generation member of the Greek system here, and I honestly don't know whether I'd recommend my kid join a fraternity at this point.
The system veers between grim no fun-ism on the part of the administrators and callous indifference on the part of some of the members. You're as likely to be kicked out of school for some trivial offense as to be killed or maimed by your "brothers." I just don't see much upside.
The system veers between grim no fun-ism on the part of the administrators and callous indifference on the part of some of the members. You're as likely to be kicked out of school for some trivial offense as to be killed or maimed by your "brothers." I just don't see much upside.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 5:27 pm to Jim Rockford
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You're as likely to be kicked out of school for some trivial offense as to be killed or maimed by your "brothers." I just don't see much upside.
Which one of those is the better option for your long term health?
Posted on 9/1/17 at 5:56 pm to saint tiger225
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It's good they dropped the involuntary manslaughter charges.
I understand they could have done many things different and better. However, it's hard to control/monitor how much another man can/did drink and because of that I don't think they should be charged with manslaughter.
It's sickening what they did (or didn't do to help), sickening that they obviously try to cover it up, but IMO, I can sort of see where it's hard to charge an entire group for manslaughter.
However, these guys should all serve time for gross negligence.
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