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Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:49 am to Bedhog
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It's welfare
It's the opposite of welfare, it's completely merit based.
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most of the graduates are going elsewhere so why are Louisiana taxpayers still funding this welfare program?
Why not work on fixing the reason people are leaving? How would removing TOPS fix anything here?
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I know plenty of families with kids who received TOPS money and they are very well off
Financial status shouldn't matter on a merit based program.
There are ways to fix TOPS:
1) raise the standards (which has been brought up, but people cried "racism")...so how do you fix this cultural bullshite?
2) Include years working in Louisiana aspect as part of the program. There are a couple ways to do this...would be its whole own post
But pulling the rug out of TOPS completely is dumb. It would need be phased out over time...and the tax money saved would need to be outlined for a new plan that helps education and doesnt just become another welfare/slush fund of money. At least right now the money is working for taxpayers of the state (one of the very few programs that is)
This post was edited on 1/15/20 at 11:51 am
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:49 am to Bedhog
TOPS is one of the very few programs that actually helps the middle class.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:49 am to TDsngumbo
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Jobs for college educated individuals just are not here in this state.
You know how you guarantee that this problem never improves?
You eliminate the primary program which increases the number of college educated people in the work force.
Yes, many college graduates leave. But if LA could ever get it's shite together and provide more college-required careers, the brain drain trend would reverse. That damn sure won't happen if there is no brain to begin with.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:50 am to beerJeep
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No. You put makeup on a pig and tried to sell me a chicken.
I provided the definition. You just didn't like it.
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Not at all. Please, do provide links.
All of your posts against tax payers getting tax money back
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:50 am to TDsngumbo
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Louisiana saw 80,000 residents leave the state in the last 3 years. Jobs for college educated individuals just are not here in this state.
*raises hand*
Wife and I both went to college through TOPS, graduated debt free and left about two years ago for roles here in TN. We still own property in LA (rental) but the opportunities just weren’t there. Moving to TN granted us far better public schools, more than doubled our combined salary, COL is dirt cheap and we don’t pay state income tax. We sometimes fantasize about moving back home closer to family but it makes no sense for us at this time.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:50 am to Eighteen
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It's the opposite of welfare, it's completely merit based.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:51 am to beerJeep
I don’t know what you are laughing at. It is merit based, albeit exceptionally low threshold to achieve.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:52 am to Salmon
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provided the definition. You just didn't like it.
No. You put makeup on a pig and tried to sell a chicken.
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All of your posts against tax payers getting tax money back
No welfare, no need for taxes to pay for welfare.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:52 am to beerJeep
You don’t think politicians will find new “needs” for the current tax revenue?
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:52 am to Oilfieldbiology
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I don’t know what you are laughing at. It is merit based, albeit exceptionally low threshold to achieve.
If the merit is “have a pulse” it isn’t merit based
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:53 am to Oilfieldbiology
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It wasn’t like that in 2004/5 when I was applying to schools. When did it get so stupidly low?
I’m pretty sure it’s always been a 2.5 and low 20s ACT for the base award. It certainly was when I started at LSU in 98.
For all of the gnashing of teeth over the requirements, I don’t think that’s the main problem. The problem is that LA college grads are fleeing the state and providing zero return to the state
I would think that a kid who just got in with a 20 ACT, graduated, stayed in state and got a slightly better job than he would have with just the HS diploma is a better use of the money than a kid with a 30 who graduates and bolts for Texas. The standards aren’t very relevant until you figure out how to stop kids from leaving.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:54 am to beerJeep
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No. You put makeup on a pig and tried to sell a chicken.
at this point you are just sticking your fingers in your ears quote:
No welfare, no need for taxes to pay for welfare
Its pretty clear you realize you have backed yourself into a corner now.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:54 am to Oilfieldbiology
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I don’t know what you are laughing at. It is merit based, albeit exceptionally low threshold to achieve.
Some people here like to make up their own definitions for things so they can push a narrative.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:55 am to beerJeep
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If the merit is “have a pulse” it isn’t merit based
everyone here supports the qualifications being raised
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:55 am to Oilfieldbiology
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You don’t think politicians will find new “needs” for the current tax revenue?
Oh, they absolutely would. But the massive amount of money in the welfare slice of pie would, at the very least, allow for a period without tax increases.
Best you can do is vote them out with people who would cut taxes.
It’s a multi step process, for sure. But you can only get to where you’re going by taking one step at a time.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:56 am to StupidBinder
There does need to be some type of payback stipulation. Something like you were paid 4 years of tuition so you have to stay in LA for 4 years. If you don’t, every year less than 4 you have to pay back that tuition. So if you stay 3, you pay back 1. Etc...
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:56 am to OysterPoBoy
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Let's spend that money subsidizing those of us who have to pay for private K-12.
You want to use public funds to pay for your choice to send your child to a private school? Jesus fricking christ.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:56 am to beerJeep
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If the merit is “have a pulse” it isn’t merit based
It's still merit based, though. It's not a program designed for low income only, which is the point.
How do you raise the standards for TOPS when people cry racism when you do? It's an unfix-able problem with Louisiana culture
If you remove TOPS completely, the money would just go to "poor people with a pulse" instead of "LA residents with a pulse". How does that help anything?
This post was edited on 1/15/20 at 11:58 am
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:57 am to Salmon
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Its pretty clear you realize you have backed yourself into a corner now.
I’m still waiting on your link to me being pro tax
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