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re: Tim Kennedy finally getting his comeuppance
Posted on 7/9/25 at 10:17 am to Ranger Call
Posted on 7/9/25 at 10:17 am to Ranger Call
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I'm familiar with everyone's issues with Chris Kyle, but I guess I missed the smoke on Mike Glover. Did he make shite up as well?
I don’t automatically believe women. A crazy woman can frick up your life.
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 10:17 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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His deal is he ran away like a little bitch while his team was under fire - allegedly. I heard that directly from a gold squadron member about a year ago.
How would anyone know if he ran away like a bitch? He was literally the “lone survivor.”
But it’s been known all along that the attacking force was about a dozen guys. Not that it really matters. When they have the high ground and machine guns it may as well be 200 guys and at that point it doesn’t matter if you’re seal team 6 or meal team 6, you’re gonna get fricked up.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 10:18 am to Schleynole
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I've never been in the military. I assumed you had to follow orders.
if the Navy is deliberately misrepresenting (or outright lying) about your actions then you have multiple ways to whistle-blow
Posted on 7/9/25 at 10:20 am to Sofaking2
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crazy woman can frick up your life
I'm in the choir, baw. Been there and done that.
Unfortunately.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 10:20 am to Ranger Call
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How quickly did that get blamed on PTSD?
you should look up the saga of Mike Glover and Fieldcraft. interesting Louisiana / Northshore tie-in as well.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 10:21 am to Sam Quint
Will do, thanks.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 10:21 am to Sam Quint
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agreed. the guys who act like they know exactly what happened with ML are equally as annoying
From my best understanding though, is that the team that was sent on Red Wings was not considered a top team and was also kind of hastily thrown together and hadn’t operated together prior to that operation.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 10:30 am to grizzlylongcut
I always skipped past any videos of him, always seemed to raise my Spidey senses. That being said, even when everything is crumbling down, it takes a bit of stones to admit you're wrong and admit those failures openly. I don't know enough about the situation to judge him on his falsehoods.
I like Jocko, John McPhee, and Goggins, but I'm sure they are more mytho than history at this point.
I like Jocko, John McPhee, and Goggins, but I'm sure they are more mytho than history at this point.
This post was edited on 7/9/25 at 10:40 am
Posted on 7/9/25 at 10:30 am to Sam Quint
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agreed. the guys who act like they know exactly what happened with ML are equally as annoying
This
Like the guy earlier on in this thread who kept saying things like ‘allegedly’ and ‘supposedly’ - yet ran with what he was saying like it was a fact
It’s crazy to me that anyone in the civilian world can take either side of this argument. None of us know shite. We just have our preconceived notions on what we THINK happened, and then cling on to anything to supports that blind assumption. While this is fine to do, accepting any of this speculation as a fact is plain wrong in my opinion
It doesn’t just happen in this circumstance, it happens with anything and everything that gets discussed online or on social media. It’s strange to me
Posted on 7/9/25 at 10:31 am to Jcorye1
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That being said, even when everything is crumbling down, it takes a bit of stones to admit you're wrong and admit those failures openly.
he really didnt have much choice.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 10:32 am to grizzlylongcut
It’s talked about pretty extensively on the anti-hero podcast and is known in the community. Maybe hearsay maybe not
Posted on 7/9/25 at 10:35 am to DeltaDoc
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DeltaDoc
You seem awfully sure about something that there’s no possible way for you to know definitively one way or the other
Posted on 7/9/25 at 10:39 am to DeltaDoc
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Maybe hearsay maybe not
"maybe hearsay maybe not" sounds like the definition of hearsay.
look, i think the account in the book is bullshite. almost certainly. but guys fully commit to saying things like "Luttrell threw down his weapon, abandoned his friends, never fired his weapon, hid like a little bitch, started crying" etc are also full of shite. there's just no way they know these things.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 10:41 am to Sam Quint
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he really didnt have much choice.
There's always a choice. Maybe it's my industry, but I've seen people go down with the ship and lie to the very end.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 10:45 am to jmarto1
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Yautja are attracted to battles so that is plausible
Confirmed..he ran like a bitch
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Posted on 7/9/25 at 10:46 am to Jcorye1
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There's always a choice. Maybe it's my industry, but I've seen people go down with the ship and lie to the very end.
well obviously, literally speaking, yes he had a choice. but the jig was up for him, so to speak. it has gotten to the point where he was so obviously lying, and had been doing so for so long, there was no feasible way for him to continue his influencer vet-bro stuff without at least trying to salvage himself a little. go look at his social media stuff - virtually every comment on everything he posts is just people blasting him for being a liar.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 10:46 am to grizzlylongcut
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From my best understanding though, is that the team that was sent on Red Wings was not considered a top team and was also kind of hastily thrown together and hadn’t operated together prior to that operation.
The operation was originally planned by a US Marine infantry unit located in the area. It was their intelligence that knew Ahmed Shah was in the village. They were going to send an 8 man sniper team to do the reconnaissance and then helicopter in a couple platoons of Marines to kill or capture shah.
The problem was the only helicopter pilots that would fly with no moonlight in zero visibility were the 160th Nightstalkers. So the Marines called them up and once SOCOM found out that the Marines were going after a high value target they took the mission.
The Marines told the Seals the recon team should walk in because the enemy would see or hear the helicopters and come find them. The seals didn’t listen.
The Marines told the Seals that 4 guys wasn’t enough and they should probably bring some machine guns with them. The seals didn’t listen.
The Marines told the seals that SATCOM didn’t work well in the area and they should bring the older/heavier radio because it was more reliable in that terrain. The seals didnt listen.
Basically those guys are dead because they were cocky and frankly, just not that good.
A couple months later the same Marine unit found Ahmed Shah again but instead of calling for helicopter support they marched the entire battalion up a mountain and destroyed Shah’s army of over 100 men in Operation Red Wings II. Shah was wounded but managed to escape to Pakistan where he succumbed to his wounds a few days later.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 10:48 am to grizzlylongcut
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How would anyone have any way of knowing that?
There are so many ways of knowing.
For one, some on his team were still alive when he bolted. The guy I heard it from directly was a “baby” SEAL when it went down. The guys on the teams know who is real and who isn’t.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 10:49 am to HeadCall
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The operation was originally planned by a US Marine infantry unit located in the area. It was their intelligence that knew Ahmed Shah was in the village. They were going to send an 8 man sniper team to do the reconnaissance and then helicopter in a couple platoons of Marines to kill or capture shah.
The problem was the only helicopter pilots that would fly with no moonlight in zero visibility were the 160th Nightstalkers. So the Marines called them up and once SOCOM found out that the Marines were going after a high value target they took the mission.
The Marines told the Seals the recon team should walk in because the enemy would see or hear the helicopters and come find them. The seals didn’t listen.
The Marines told the Seals that 4 guys wasn’t enough and they should probably bring some machine guns with them. The seals didn’t listen.
The Marines told the seals that SATCOM didn’t work well in the area and they should bring the older/heavier radio because it was more reliable in that terrain. The seals didnt listen.
Basically those guys are dead because they were cocky and frankly, just not that good.
A couple months later the same Marine unit found Ahmed Shah again but instead of calling for helicopter support they marched the entire battalion up a mountain and destroyed Shah’s army of over 100 men in Operation Red Wings II. Shah was wounded but managed to escape to Pakistan where he succumbed to his wounds a few days later.
this sounds like some USMC boot camp propaganda, but i'll buy it.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 10:50 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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The guy I heard it from directly was a “baby” SEAL when it went down.
oh, well i guess that settles it then.
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