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re: Thoughts on real estate as a profession

Posted on 3/3/15 at 9:06 am to
Posted by AUjim
America
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Posted on 3/3/15 at 9:06 am to
ALSO....the incentives to accept lower offers are not aligned between the agents and the sellers.

At 300K, a 10,000 price reduction only costs the individual realtor about $300 (based on 50/50 broker/agent split at 6%). You think they're going to sweat a commission of 8,700 instead of 9,000 while you're sweating a 10,000 loss?

Obviously, this is hypothetical....your house would have to be able to actually sell for 300K for it to be real...but you see what I'm saying...

I love real estate and I know some good agents. The whole game is just a little strange for me....

ETA: that 300, is actually only a difference of $150 for each of the 4 pros involved...Listing Broker, Selling Broker, Listing Agent, Selling Agent...So really, your agent is missing out on 150, while you miss out on 10K
This post was edited on 3/3/15 at 9:21 am
Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
31493 posts
Posted on 3/3/15 at 9:07 am to
True story

I had this bitch call me one time and want to show my house on fsbo as a one time showing.
She told me her "client" drove by liked it and took a pic and sent to her.
I said that's ok fine.
Set an appt.

Well she wanted to come by take a look inside and get a one time showing contract signed.
I told her id give 3%.
She said I can't do it for that... I charge 6%.
I LoL in her face and asked her if she lost her mind.
She wasn't going to show the house that supposedly her client called her about bc she couldn't make money she wanted to make.

I'm in sales too and it pissed me off so bad I called her next day left a VM and told her she wasn't welcome at my house again, don't call back and that she should re read the business ethics part of here realtor 101 book.

That's just one story among prob 5-6 I have concerning these greedy scum people.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
146214 posts
Posted on 3/3/15 at 9:07 am to
nah, I think she got like 2% from them as well. I wanna say that she got a total of 6% on both houses. I didn't want her making anything more than that.
Posted by stout
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Posted on 3/3/15 at 9:08 am to
quote:

ALSO....the incentives to accept lower offers are not aligned between the agents and the sellers.




Everything is negotiable. I have had buyers and sellers get really close but no deal so I cut my commission more than the $300 in your hypothetical to get the deal done. Making something and having happy clients is better than being greedy and burning bridges.
Posted by stout
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Posted on 3/3/15 at 9:09 am to
quote:

I didn't want her making anything more than that.




You story sounds sketchy is all. Even more so when I have done those deals as a Realtor and as a buyer.

Not saying it isn't true but seems far stretched. I don't know any agents that work both sides of a deal for 1% off each side like you are saying she did for the house she sold.
This post was edited on 3/3/15 at 9:12 am
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 3/3/15 at 9:22 am to
I've got mixed feelings on realtors. Bought my first house FSBO. Easy process, but heard about the house through word of mouth and the seller worked with someone we knew. When I moved to Texas, it was worth having a realtor. I was working and could only spare a few hours in them morning a couple days a week. They helped with a lot and even had someone helping me set up utilities, etc.

The woman who sold my house in Louisiana should have her license revoked. There was a special deal where once I had a buyer under contract, my company would buy the house and then sell to the buyer so that I could get the money without having to wait for them to close. They required certain repairs to be done and got the realtor to find a repairman. This woman tacked on a bunch of extras like trimming my bushes, pressure washing the house, and a bunch of other stuff on the order of a few thousand dollars worth of work to make the house easier to sell. All the while, it took nearly two weeks for her to put a sign in the yard. Asked me to come down on the price several times, again before the house was even online or had a sign up. Got a buyer after about a week and she was a dual agent, so couldn't help us with negotiating. After a lot of back and forth, she let it slip that the buyer was her son's friend. Bish tried to get me to do repairs and lower the price all while showing it to family friends. House sold in a little over a week!!! I wish I wouldn't have listened to a damned thing she said and put the price about 7k higher.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
146214 posts
Posted on 3/3/15 at 9:23 am to
The deal was that I would buy the house she had listed if she sold my house. I sold my house for MY asking price on the first day it was listed. She didn't do shite. It was my price. If I would have listened to her then I would have left money on the table. That's why I cut her commission.

The house she had listed was in foreclosure. I low balled and hit the house for much lower than she suggested. All I know is that in order for the deal to happen I had to pay a commission. I agreed to pay 2%. I'll Have to check the closing docs but ineanna say the bank paid her 2% as well. It's been 5 years, a lot has happened since then.
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
31889 posts
Posted on 3/3/15 at 9:23 am to
It is not a profession. Those of us here that are true professionals take offense.

Unneeded, worthless job. Parasites who couldn't / wouldn't invest time in real jobs.

(This is directed more at residential)
This post was edited on 3/3/15 at 9:24 am
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
58560 posts
Posted on 3/3/15 at 9:25 am to
I know a lot of guys in the real estate fund business.
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Oct 2007
21958 posts
Posted on 3/3/15 at 9:26 am to
Stout knows what he's talking about...though phone time and walk-ins are nonexistent now.

All my leads are web-based or bought through Trulia, Zillow and Realtor.com.

Though Trulia and Zillow will be gone in a few years.

As far as being an appraiser or surveyor, I've been both. I'd rather cash a $10,000 check than a $300 one. I also like the ability to market myself rather than wait on a bank to call me because I'm on a list. I was an appraiser. I wouldn't go back to that industry with all the crazy upcoming regulations -- like SSR -- for twice the money.
Posted by Hammertime
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Member since Jan 2012
43030 posts
Posted on 3/3/15 at 9:46 am to
quote:

Only the top 1% make money.

Source: Wife was a Realtor.
Once you make a name for yourself, it gets much easier. My aunt is the breadwinner and lives in a $1MM+ house in Mandeville. She busted her arse and made her name selling cheaper houses, and now sells more expensive ones


There are very few elite, well known agents, but they do exceptionally well
This post was edited on 3/3/15 at 9:56 am
Posted by stout
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Posted on 3/3/15 at 9:54 am to
quote:

though phone time and walk-ins are nonexistent now.




Yea I wold imagine so. I haven't been licensed since '06 and back then people were just now starting to utilize the internet in RE so phone duty was still important. I was one of the first to use the internet as an advantage when I started and used Homegain to get leads. The leads were $25 a pop then but they weren't vetted very well.

All of the old retired school teachers selling in my office were so confused about technology it was laughable.
This post was edited on 3/3/15 at 9:55 am
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/3/15 at 9:57 am to
I bought my first house in 2003 and found it on the internet.
Posted by AUjim
America
Member since Dec 2012
3662 posts
Posted on 3/3/15 at 10:00 am to
quote:

Though Trulia and Zillow will be gone in a few years.


Curious-Why do you think they'll be gone?
Posted by stout
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Posted on 3/3/15 at 10:00 am to
quote:

I bought my first house in 2003 and found it on the internet.



Realtor.com has been around for a while but I am talking about agents using the net to find leads. I started in '02 when I was 22 and I was the only one in my area getting leads from the internet. There were whole offices that didn't even have an online presence and this was near Ft Polk where people are constantly moving from out of state. It just made little sense to me that other agents were waiting by the phone instead of getting leads before they ever came here but those agents were set in their ways and didn't know any different.
This post was edited on 3/3/15 at 10:02 am
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
146214 posts
Posted on 3/3/15 at 10:05 am to
latter-blum.com was and still is my go to
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79143 posts
Posted on 3/3/15 at 10:11 am to
I thought realtors were worthless until we used a friend of ours for our recent purchase. It helps that we knew her already, but as a buyer's agent she made the process much easier.

She is extremely knowledgeable about the city and took us to anything we wanted to see on short notice. She lined up estimates for repairs on every house we got serious about and met them out there so we didn't have to worry about it. She did a lot of research about concerns we had (potential redistricting of a top elementary school, planned development nearby, etc.).

Now as we approach closing she's gotten us a ton of estimates for workers and companies she uses regularly and has helped us save a lot of money in finding good deals on appliances and other renovation items. It helps that her and her husband (my buddy) have good taste and turn over nice homes on the side, as whenever we went to see a property they immediately went to work telling us what we could do with it.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67045 posts
Posted on 3/3/15 at 10:40 am to
The money in real-estate isn't in being a Realtor. It's in buying and selling the properties themselves. It's in building assets, maintaining tenents, making profitable upgrades, and gradually increasing revenue from rent. On the other end, it's about expansion into more and more properties. Then, it's about timing. Knowing where the market is going to be and planning accordingly for those changes (that's why so many people in government make their fortunes in real estate). Finally, it's about taking something of little value, converting it into something of considerable value, and then packaging and selling it in a profitable and timely manner. Managing maintenance, carrying costs, ect is key.
Posted by ItNeverRains
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 3/3/15 at 10:59 am to
If you're in Louisiana and have any common sense you can do well. Just brokered sale and purchase for my parents there and the agents were awful. Pretty much showed one agent how her "the way I've always done it" was collusion and illegal.

Another agent team who knew I was a licensed agent tried every trick in the real estate book on my parents. Ballsy, but pretty funny.

If you're ethical you'll have a slower start but eventually be a top producer. Have 6-9 months saved unless you can get on with big builder/developer right out gate. If your inner circle doesn't want to use you for listing/purchase, ask if you can recommend an agent, do co representation, and split commission.

Made 14k my first year (2009) already have 65k closed or under construction in 2015. I'm in a very aggressive market.
Posted by ItNeverRains
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Posted on 3/3/15 at 11:04 am to
quote:

She is extremely knowledgeable about the city and took us to anything we wanted to see on short notice. She lined up estimates for repairs on every house we got serious about and met them out there so we didn't have to worry about it. She did a lot of research about concerns we had (potential redistricting of a top elementary school, planned development nearby, etc.).


Impossible, we just dress up, do luncheons, and laugh all the way to bank

Actually sitting in clients driveway waiting on my tree guy and handyman for estimates as we speak. But after I walk through horse poop I am going to a bomb luncheon
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