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re: There are bad days and terrible days; 2 year old dead after being left in a car

Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:55 pm to
Posted by Golfer
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Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:55 pm to
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Not at all the same. To make it a BIT more relevant, you would need to get the bill ready to go in the morning. Take the bill to your car, tape the bill to the back window, potentially listen to or talk to the bill during your drive, and have that bill be the most important bill you've ever received in your life. A bill that you've focused on and taken care of for two years and taken to the payment place dozens of times. And then you suddenly "realize" 8 hours later that you didn't take the bill where you were supposed to.



Yeah. We go through this every summer. And there's always someone that acts like this.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:57 pm to
The story isnt unbelievable because she missed yhe daycare, its unbelievable because there were many opportunities for hervto catch the mistske, each successive one raising red flags
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
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Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:59 pm to
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RogerTheShrubber


I think you're giving people too much credit. I'm sure you've heard the saying "Think about how dumb the average American is, now realize that half of all Americans are more dumb that that."

This thread has me all sorts of fricked up though. I've checked my truck twice today to make sure I didn't forget my kid in it and I didn't even bring her to daycare this morning, her mom did.
This post was edited on 5/13/16 at 2:00 pm
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 5/13/16 at 1:59 pm to
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The story isnt unbelievable because she missed yhe daycare, its unbelievable because there were many opportunities for hervto catch the mistske, each successive one raising red flags


Bingo. Odds would dictate that at some point during her drive to work the kid would either make a noise, or she'd see her in the rear view mirror or when looking back to change lanes and have that realization that you forgot to go to day care.

Would a kid who is 2 be in a forward facing car seat? Because if it's one of those where all you see is the back of the car seat because the kid is facing the back window, then it might be more plausible.
Posted by Artie Rome
Hwy 1
Member since Jul 2014
8757 posts
Posted on 5/13/16 at 2:00 pm to
Is it nice sitting up there on your high horse? Being the judge, jury, and executioner?

I think this situation is entirely sad.

And your responses to this thread raise red flags. Are you back on the juice?
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
91101 posts
Posted on 5/13/16 at 2:01 pm to
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at some point during her drive to work the kid would either make a noise, or she'd see her in the rear view mirror or when looking back to change lanes


is it so beyond belief that teh child was asleep in a rear facing car seat? Geez.

Now if you want to talk about the smell of the car after she left work, that's another story. But to be so suspicious (not you in particular chitown) on her not knowing the kid was still in the car when she got to work is dumb. It's extremely plausible that it could happen and her not know.
Posted by theOG
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Posted on 5/13/16 at 2:03 pm to
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Would a kid who is 2 be in a forward facing car seat? Because if it's one of those where all you see is the back of the car seat because the kid is facing the back window, then it might be more plausible.


my two year old is a tank, so he's forward facing, but a lot of two year olds are still rear facing.

i take my kid to school in the mornings, and i always call my wife after i drop him off to let her know how it went. if i forgot to call her by 20 minutes or so after i should have dropped him off, she'd be all over me like stink on shite. her nagging is an unintentional fail safe to ensure i don't leave my boy in the car.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 5/13/16 at 2:03 pm to
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nd your responses to this thread raise red flags. Are you back on the juice?


As usual you seem extremely angry and incapable of having a rational conversation
Posted by Rhino5
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2014
30970 posts
Posted on 5/13/16 at 2:03 pm to
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Not at all the same. To make it a BIT more relevant, you would need to get the bill ready to go in the morning. Take the bill to your car, tape the bill to the back window, potentially listen to or talk to the bill during your drive, and have that bill be the most important bill you've ever received in your life. A bill that you've focused on and taken care of for two years and taken to the payment place dozens of times. And then you suddenly "realize" 8 hours later that you didn't take the bill where you were supposed to.

This is my point that seems to fall on several deaf ears in this thread. People acting like they're too busy and in too much of a hurry and use it as an excuse. I personally think about my kids all day long and check on them often.
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 5/13/16 at 2:04 pm to
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Would a kid who is 2 be in a forward facing car seat?


Yes. My daughter is almost 2 and has been in a forward facing seat for about 6 months, and she's somewhat small compared to other kids her age.
This post was edited on 5/13/16 at 2:05 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91871 posts
Posted on 5/13/16 at 2:06 pm to
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The story isnt unbelievable because she missed yhe daycare, its unbelievable because there were many opportunities for hervto catch the mistske, each successive one raising red flags


Fair enough. The post-work ordeal is a bit perplexing and I haven't argued otherwise.

However, IF she truly forgot, it is because she was under the impression it had already happened once she got to work. The mistake happened, but there were no events during the day that would have caused her to question it or catch the mistake. As I said before, I don't go outside to check my vehicle during the day just in case, and neither would you, because we both know they've been dropped off safe and sound. In her mind, both consciously and subconsciously, she had already dropped off her child too.

This wasn't an "oh shite, I forgot" moment. This was a "no big deal, I took care of it" moment, because in her mind, she was already at work and when she's at work, that means the routine of getting to work and the events involved are already accomplished.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 5/13/16 at 2:06 pm to
I could certainly see it being accidental to not drop them off and then not think about it. I don't know what the car smelled like after she got back in so that seems strange but as far as forgetting, it seems to happen once or twice every summer.

When I was in elementary school I would be sitting in the front seat and my mom would accidentally start driving towards work until i remind her.

I accidentally drove downtown towards my office last Saturday morning when I left my house trying to go the other direction to my friends house.
This post was edited on 5/13/16 at 2:08 pm
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 5/13/16 at 2:07 pm to
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i take my kid to school in the mornings, and i always call my wife after i drop him off to let her know how it went. if i forgot to call her by 20 minutes or so after i should have dropped him off, she'd be all over me like stink on shite. her nagging is an unintentional fail safe to ensure i don't leave my boy in the car.


It's the day that your wife ends up being called into a meeting unexpectedly to make a 90 min presentation plus q&a and leaves her phone at her desk.

I think that's what most of y'all are missing. These cases where they are truly accidental are extremely rare. Typically like 5 to 10 times a summer, maximum, out of all the millions of times kids are picked up and dropped off from daycare, etc. It takes an extremely rare set of multiple mitigating events for something this tragic to occur.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 5/13/16 at 2:10 pm to
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People acting like they're too busy and in too much of a hurry and use it as an excuse. I personally think about my kids all day long and check on them often.


Bravo, but surely you can understand that even good parents make mistakes. At the very least you can acknowledge that there are spans of time where you are not thinking about your kids, particularly when it is an otherwise normal day.

Sometimes the stars align, so to speak, and something bad happens during that lapse.
Posted by Rhino5
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2014
30970 posts
Posted on 5/13/16 at 2:10 pm to
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Would a kid who is 2 be in a forward facing car seat? Because if it's one of those where all you see is the back of the car seat because the kid is facing the back window, then it might be more plausible.


Yes, 2 years is typically a traditional age to turn them front but if not the kid is still a decent size where they're hard not to not spot. This photo looks like about a 2 year old.


Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
37572 posts
Posted on 5/13/16 at 2:12 pm to
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is it so beyond belief that teh child was asleep in a rear facing car seat? Geez.


As theOG confirmed, the kid would have likely been in a forward facing car seat. So that makes it more suspicious to me. That would be a big detail to confirm.

And when she started driving to the daycare, I have to think that at some point she would have a realization that she has no memory of going there previously on that day.

I'm not saying anything was intentional. Just enough that's weird enough that it warrants further exploration. ESPECIALLY if she got a call from the daycare asking if she was bringing her kid in that day.
This post was edited on 5/13/16 at 2:14 pm
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
Member since Nov 2005
30979 posts
Posted on 5/13/16 at 2:12 pm to
I believe if the kid is > 20 lbs then the seat can be front facing
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91871 posts
Posted on 5/13/16 at 2:13 pm to
quote:

i take my kid to school in the mornings, and i always call my wife after i drop him off to let her know how it went. if i forgot to call her by 20 minutes or so after i should have dropped him off, she'd be all over me like stink on shite. her nagging is an unintentional fail safe to ensure i don't leave my boy in the car.


I'm glad that there seem to be quite a few parents that have little tips and tricks to help prevent this kind of thing, but most people don't think this can ever happen to them, so they don't take the same type of precaution, and then they end up on the wrong side of it.

I guess I just don't see the point in saying this can only happen to bad parents, because sometimes good parents think they're infallible too.
Posted by Artie Rome
Hwy 1
Member since Jul 2014
8757 posts
Posted on 5/13/16 at 2:14 pm to
What a pedestrian response to a real point.

ETA: this is all out of character for you. That my concern.
This post was edited on 5/13/16 at 2:16 pm
Posted by SabiDojo
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/13/16 at 2:14 pm to
If you have a rear-facing car seat, put them in the middle of the backseat and put that mirror that allows you to see the baby.
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